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it was basically a cube

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states

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it's a worldwide phenomenon

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hello and welcome everyone to the first

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ever episode of that ufo podcast

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my name is andy and i'm the host of this

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show delving into the world of ufos

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uap aliens extraterrestrials ultra

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terrestrials and

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more since i was a kid i've been

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interested in

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many different mysteries and incredible

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possibilities in the world

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things like remote viewing time travel

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psychic abilities but among all of these

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ufos and all that entails is what's

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really had my attention the most

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my aim with this show is to share the

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latest ufo news and opinion from around

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the world and right now there's

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certainly plenty of that

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i'll also bring on a range of credible

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knowledgeable guests to discuss their

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own stories

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and experiences for you to listen to and

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form your own opinions

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i want to get straight into one huge

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piece of breaking news from this week

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well maybe for many of us it wasn't news

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but the weight that's added to a story

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that was already out there is definitely

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credible

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i'm going to first read the pentagon

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department of defense statement that was

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the department of defense has authorized

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the release of three unclassified navy

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one taken in november 2004 and the other

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which have been circulating in the

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public domain after unauthorized

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and 2017. the us navy previously

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circulating in the public domain

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where indeed navy videos after a

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the department has determined that the

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authorized release of these unclassified

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does not reveal any sensitive

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and does not impinge on any subsequent

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investigations of military airspace

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videos in order to clear up any

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misconceptions by the public

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on whether or not the footage that has

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videos the aerial phenomena observed in

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have an interest in ufos despite years

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mockery and even had a pro they even had

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a program with a budget going well into

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the tens of millions of dollars

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the us government would admit to having

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incredible craft

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performing amazing physics defying feats

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would be a that would be disclosure

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something we all want

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finally the powers that be have admitted

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and evidence is once again back in the

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mainstream press

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highly trained and reliable people on

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and they're reporting them in a serious

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manner as well something that's not

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when it comes to ufos the timing of this

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first show could not be any better with

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i've got a guest who is one of the first

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people to witness some of these

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incredible craft

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vehicles whatever these things are back

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and after the break you'll hear gary

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vertice radar operator of the uss

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feelings and opinions of what happened

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where the u.s navy encountered objects

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out at sea and were left feeling

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incredibly inept against their

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firstly i'm going to play a small plug

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for a friend of the show

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and then i want you to stick around

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because when we come back gary's going

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to tell you his amazing tale

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spooky greetings everybody my name is

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tessa morrow

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i am a paranormal investigator an author

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and i have paranormal prowlers podcast

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so be sure to venture on over check it

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out it's all

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things super scary spooky supernatural

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paranormal bizarre and unknown and

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several

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different encounters and experiences and

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investigations and hear all about

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haunted locations

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guests that join me from time to time

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just like andy so please be sure to

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coming back from that message we have a

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man who almost needs no introduction

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it's going to be the first guest on that

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gary vertis gary how are you doing good

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how are you doing

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i'm very well man thank you very much

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it's a very cold night here in the

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northeast of england but the stars are

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clear sky it's good for about sky

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watching what about yourself

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it's uh hot hot and sunny where are you

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based again

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uh florida florida very nice and uh

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how's lockdown treating you over over

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more of a i like to stay in anyways so

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yeah see i like to stay in but now i

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don't have the choice that that's what

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kind of gets to me i like to know i can

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go out but i don't i don't actually end

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gary first off you were a witness to one

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of the most significant ufo or uap

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um what i'd like you to do is take us

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back to that day and walk us through

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out i was i was on a midwatch

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which would late night shift watch and

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wait for somebody to actually need

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something from the computer technician

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lot of sitting around waiting

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sitting on watch just you know listening

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aws and just in different places

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typical day would have been

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what happened by the sounds of it

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you're expecting just to go through the

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the day when did things start getting

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i kind of had to hang out there for a

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second until somebody came out there

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that could uh

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maybe provide me with a cigarette

290
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everybody that knows me is about to

291
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laugh their ass off when you hear that

292
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and uh but uh so

293
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and i was talking to one of the spy

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technicians uh the actual spy

295
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technicians because there's a

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a group of guys that that's that's their

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whole job is

298
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just to take care of that one ages

299
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system uh

300
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we all worked together i worked with the

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computer systems that run

302
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run those run all the data recording uh

303
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yeah my systems are basically the

304
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mainframes for

305
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all of those systems so my aspect was

306
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computer

307
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and uh so one of the spy guys so when i

308
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say spy guys it's one you know

309
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and uh it's we're all tight-knit groups

310
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so it's

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we all work on each other's gear we all

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work on you know they

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they come down when they when they need

314
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the the computers reset

315
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or if they need diagnostics run or you

316
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know things things of that nature

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generally when they're running all of

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their diagnostics uh

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i'm having to stand by or somebody's

320
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having to stand by and computers

321
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computer central to reset the uh the

322
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mainframe over and over again until they

323
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get

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all of their settings right okay and can

325
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i just

326
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just double check that this is this

327
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incident we're about to discuss is

328
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famously known as the the nimitz or the

329
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tic tac incident

330
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but you were actually based on the the

331
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uss princeton is that correct

332
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that is correct uh we were uh our ship

333
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was called um

334
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uh providing air defense for the carrier

335
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and we were

336
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we were basically we ride alongside

337
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shotgun of the carrier

338
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and we provide air defense for them

339
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uh meaning that if anything comes into

340
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our airspace that's

341
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you know hostile or anything like that

342
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or a

343
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engage it before the carrier does

344
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carrier's priority is the launch and

345
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recovery aircraft

346
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not actual combat itself it has the

347
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capability limited capability of combat

348
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but our ship was

349
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literally designed for combat so it's

350
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you know we're we think of this as the

351
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the soldiership

352
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yeah and you're out there basically

353
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expecting a simulation

354
00:12:08,470 --> 00:12:06,639
of a combat situation is that right yeah

355
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yeah what was described to me is that we

356
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had a

357
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bunch of unknown objects that they uh

358
00:12:15,430 --> 00:12:14,240
they wanted to make sure wasn't just uh

359
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some type of clutter

360
00:12:18,870 --> 00:12:17,120
not that the systems actually ever

361
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really messed up that all that often

362
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but you know when you you got something

363
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like that you don't want to just

364
00:12:26,710 --> 00:12:25,440
run out and say you know hey we got ufos

365
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you want to make sure

366
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everything is working because if it

367
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comes back that uh you know

368
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something went down or something wasn't

369
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working right before you reported all

370
00:12:39,110 --> 00:12:35,839
that stuff

371
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it probably would have been hell to pay

372
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and it's funny though you see you don't

373
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want to run out and and say you know

374
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what it's ufos

375
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is that ever something you'd come across

376
00:12:49,350 --> 00:12:47,839
before and i do mean in the sense of

377
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this is an aircraft that we don't know

378
00:12:52,389 --> 00:12:51,360
what it is you think any of us really

379
00:12:54,790 --> 00:12:52,399
thought it was clutter

380
00:12:55,829 --> 00:12:54,800
um there was a little bit of clutter and

381
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clutter generally

382
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doesn't look it looks like like these

383
00:13:00,629 --> 00:12:59,839
like a track come and go come and go

384
00:13:04,310 --> 00:13:00,639
come and go

385
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it's not like a solid track and

386
00:13:08,150 --> 00:13:07,519
or it'll be just like uh you know barely

387
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a track

388
00:13:11,350 --> 00:13:10,320
you know you you just it won't it won't

389
00:13:12,949 --> 00:13:11,360
hardly come in

390
00:13:14,790 --> 00:13:12,959
with a resolution enough to do it and

391
00:13:17,350 --> 00:13:14,800
what those are is actually

392
00:13:18,069 --> 00:13:17,360
peaks on the waves that's how that's how

393
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sensitive

394
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the system is and so when we say we had

395
00:13:26,069 --> 00:13:23,279
to calibrate that

396
00:13:27,910 --> 00:13:26,079
system it's not whether it worked or not

397
00:13:28,870 --> 00:13:27,920
it's whether it was working too well or

398
00:13:31,269 --> 00:13:28,880
whether it was

399
00:13:32,710 --> 00:13:31,279
set too high because if it's if it's

400
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calibrated too high where

401
00:13:35,990 --> 00:13:34,800
you mean we can we can track the you

402
00:13:37,590 --> 00:13:36,000
know a periscope

403
00:13:39,829 --> 00:13:37,600
breaking the surface of the water i mean

404
00:13:43,269 --> 00:13:39,839
that wow that's that's how

405
00:13:43,990 --> 00:13:43,279
uh you know precisely the spyware bravo

406
00:13:46,710 --> 00:13:44,000
radar can

407
00:13:48,629 --> 00:13:46,720
actually be if it's not dialed in for

408
00:13:50,230 --> 00:13:48,639
its specific tasking

409
00:13:51,750 --> 00:13:50,240
and someone of your experience like

410
00:13:53,110 --> 00:13:51,760
you've said before as well like

411
00:13:54,629 --> 00:13:53,120
you know what you're looking at you

412
00:13:55,590 --> 00:13:54,639
you've seen if you've had a glitch

413
00:13:58,389 --> 00:13:55,600
before and

414
00:14:00,389 --> 00:13:58,399
you've got a rough idea surely yeah all

415
00:14:02,150 --> 00:14:00,399
the spy guys all the watch sanders

416
00:14:04,870 --> 00:14:02,160
all the guys that work on that radar on

417
00:14:07,910 --> 00:14:04,880
a regular basis they've all seen clutter

418
00:14:09,990 --> 00:14:07,920
plenty of times um

419
00:14:11,910 --> 00:14:10,000
you know especially in in high seas like

420
00:14:12,870 --> 00:14:11,920
if c's get real rough you start getting

421
00:14:14,949 --> 00:14:12,880
10 foot plus

422
00:14:16,629 --> 00:14:14,959
you're gonna get clutter because that

423
00:14:17,829 --> 00:14:16,639
you're literally you're recording the

424
00:14:21,590 --> 00:14:17,839
the wave press

425
00:14:24,230 --> 00:14:21,600
so it's uh you know that's that's what

426
00:14:25,030 --> 00:14:24,240
it's see the thing about spy is that all

427
00:14:27,590 --> 00:14:25,040
clutter is

428
00:14:28,310 --> 00:14:27,600
something it's not it's not it's not

429
00:14:31,110 --> 00:14:28,320
that there was

430
00:14:32,550 --> 00:14:31,120
there's any like just a phantom there's

431
00:14:34,550 --> 00:14:32,560
no phantom tracks

432
00:14:35,829 --> 00:14:34,560
it's just it's either something that we

433
00:14:37,509 --> 00:14:35,839
shouldn't be tracking and we have to

434
00:14:40,069 --> 00:14:37,519
filter it out or

435
00:14:41,509 --> 00:14:40,079
uh it's uh or it's an actual thing in

436
00:14:42,389 --> 00:14:41,519
this case it ended up being a lot of

437
00:14:43,750 --> 00:14:42,399
actual things

438
00:14:45,430 --> 00:14:43,760
sure so you're saying you're you're

439
00:14:46,870 --> 00:14:45,440
seeing this cluttered on the screen

440
00:14:48,069 --> 00:14:46,880
uh and your idea is do you know what i

441
00:14:49,110 --> 00:14:48,079
need to do something because there's

442
00:14:50,550 --> 00:14:49,120
healthy pf

443
00:14:51,750 --> 00:14:50,560
if i don't clean this up and it has some

444
00:14:52,949 --> 00:14:51,760
kind of computer glitch in the

445
00:14:55,670 --> 00:14:52,959
background but

446
00:14:58,790 --> 00:14:55,680
talk to us from there then what happened

447
00:15:00,310 --> 00:14:58,800
all right so then we uh proceeded to

448
00:15:01,990 --> 00:15:00,320
get permission from the captain to go

449
00:15:02,389 --> 00:15:02,000
ahead and take those systems down you

450
00:15:04,069 --> 00:15:02,399
know

451
00:15:05,430 --> 00:15:04,079
he got a general briefing of what's

452
00:15:08,069 --> 00:15:05,440
going on and

453
00:15:09,750 --> 00:15:08,079
and then uh not directly by me by the

454
00:15:10,949 --> 00:15:09,760
way i just want to make that clear this

455
00:15:12,629 --> 00:15:10,959
is this would have all been going

456
00:15:15,189 --> 00:15:12,639
through the chain of command

457
00:15:17,189 --> 00:15:15,199
um so once that's it once that was all

458
00:15:18,389 --> 00:15:17,199
all done i'd get i'd get the word to

459
00:15:21,350 --> 00:15:18,399
stand by

460
00:15:23,350 --> 00:15:21,360
so that i could reset the computers and

461
00:15:25,590 --> 00:15:23,360
uh those were uh

462
00:15:27,189 --> 00:15:25,600
some jargon for you the yuck 43

463
00:15:28,629 --> 00:15:27,199
computers which is what we were using

464
00:15:31,430 --> 00:15:28,639
we're using uh

465
00:15:32,069 --> 00:15:31,440
off the shelf systems uh it was a hybrid

466
00:15:35,189 --> 00:15:32,079
system

467
00:15:36,069 --> 00:15:35,199
called and it was the baseline 6.1 aegis

468
00:15:38,069 --> 00:15:36,079
system

469
00:15:40,150 --> 00:15:38,079
and what why that's significant is it

470
00:15:42,150 --> 00:15:40,160
because it was the very first system

471
00:15:43,910 --> 00:15:42,160
that started using the

472
00:15:46,150 --> 00:15:43,920
what's now i don't know what it's known

473
00:15:47,509 --> 00:15:46,160
now as but at the time was the q70

474
00:15:50,949 --> 00:15:47,519
system which was

475
00:15:53,670 --> 00:15:50,959
moving from like the uh

476
00:15:55,189 --> 00:15:53,680
60s and 70s technology of you know

477
00:15:58,389 --> 00:15:55,199
hardwired mainframes

478
00:16:02,069 --> 00:15:58,399
to off-the-shelf server style

479
00:16:03,350 --> 00:16:02,079
a fiber optics you know uh it was a

480
00:16:07,670 --> 00:16:03,360
really advanced system

481
00:16:10,470 --> 00:16:07,680
and ours was a hybridized bastard ship

482
00:16:12,870 --> 00:16:10,480
that had half half legacy systems and

483
00:16:14,629 --> 00:16:12,880
half q70 systems which is why

484
00:16:16,790 --> 00:16:14,639
i was the only computer tech on board

485
00:16:20,710 --> 00:16:16,800
because they uh had

486
00:16:23,110 --> 00:16:20,720
this uh discontinued my my nec my rate

487
00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:23,120
because of these these new systems so

488
00:16:27,509 --> 00:16:25,120
all the computer techs that we're in

489
00:16:29,430 --> 00:16:27,519
and that was the last 11 44 computer

490
00:16:30,550 --> 00:16:29,440
text there will ever be

491
00:16:32,310 --> 00:16:30,560
so you're going from almost the

492
00:16:33,350 --> 00:16:32,320
equivalent of dial up internet going to

493
00:16:34,790 --> 00:16:33,360
a 5g

494
00:16:36,710 --> 00:16:34,800
in terms of some of the technology that

495
00:16:37,829 --> 00:16:36,720
you're replacing and moving about on

496
00:16:40,230 --> 00:16:37,839
these ships yeah

497
00:16:41,030 --> 00:16:40,240
yeah that's that's that's probably a

498
00:16:44,069 --> 00:16:41,040
good jump

499
00:16:46,629 --> 00:16:44,079
and uh and then on top of that we were

500
00:16:47,269 --> 00:16:46,639
uh pioneering uh some experimental

501
00:16:49,670 --> 00:16:47,279
systems

502
00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:49,680
that allowed all the ships to share

503
00:16:53,030 --> 00:16:50,480
sensor data

504
00:16:54,550 --> 00:16:53,040
kind of like uh kind of like how you

505
00:16:57,030 --> 00:16:54,560
have uh these uh

506
00:16:58,069 --> 00:16:57,040
these wi-fi mesh systems now where where

507
00:17:01,110 --> 00:16:58,079
they just kind of

508
00:17:02,870 --> 00:17:01,120
they blanket the entire house yeah and

509
00:17:05,590 --> 00:17:02,880
then each each one

510
00:17:06,549 --> 00:17:05,600
has its own range and then together

511
00:17:09,189 --> 00:17:06,559
collectively

512
00:17:10,390 --> 00:17:09,199
it you it gives you your you know a big

513
00:17:13,669 --> 00:17:10,400
huge

514
00:17:16,309 --> 00:17:13,679
zone of wi-fi well now equivalent

515
00:17:18,309 --> 00:17:16,319
that zone as like the zone of radar and

516
00:17:19,110 --> 00:17:18,319
sensor data that we're all combining

517
00:17:21,510 --> 00:17:19,120
together to see

518
00:17:22,870 --> 00:17:21,520
one big picture of what's going on

519
00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:22,880
around us

520
00:17:26,470 --> 00:17:24,720
and is that you talking as well to the

521
00:17:27,510 --> 00:17:26,480
other ships like the nimitz and anyone

522
00:17:29,029 --> 00:17:27,520
else who is out there you're all

523
00:17:31,029 --> 00:17:29,039
combining that blanket

524
00:17:32,630 --> 00:17:31,039
to cover what's out in the ocean yep

525
00:17:35,909 --> 00:17:32,640
yeah any of the any of the

526
00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:35,919
ships or aircraft that had the cec

527
00:17:38,950 --> 00:17:38,000
technology on board were a part of that

528
00:17:41,029 --> 00:17:38,960
system

529
00:17:42,789 --> 00:17:41,039
um that includes the hawkeye the nimitz

530
00:17:43,830 --> 00:17:42,799
and all of the other ships in the battle

531
00:17:45,590 --> 00:17:43,840
group

532
00:17:47,350 --> 00:17:45,600
awesome so you've got permission you've

533
00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:47,360
taken down um

534
00:17:50,470 --> 00:17:49,760
the the systems i think you do some kind

535
00:17:53,029 --> 00:17:50,480
of

536
00:17:54,710 --> 00:17:53,039
cleaning if that's the right one to use

537
00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:54,720
rebooting them start them back up and

538
00:17:58,789 --> 00:17:56,080
then

539
00:18:00,150 --> 00:17:58,799
you expect either not c tracks but and

540
00:18:01,190 --> 00:18:00,160
your experience you know you're going to

541
00:18:03,190 --> 00:18:01,200
see these things again

542
00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:03,200
you're just covering your own back yeah

543
00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:04,960
yeah when we right back up

544
00:18:08,310 --> 00:18:07,440
we we still were getting these tracks uh

545
00:18:11,350 --> 00:18:08,320
they were definitely

546
00:18:14,789 --> 00:18:11,360
100 unknown tracks at this point

547
00:18:17,350 --> 00:18:14,799
um so at that point

548
00:18:18,549 --> 00:18:17,360
you know it got a little exciting but

549
00:18:21,270 --> 00:18:18,559
you know

550
00:18:22,870 --> 00:18:21,280
when you like i originally heard of ufos

551
00:18:24,789 --> 00:18:22,880
and you know how fast they go

552
00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:24,799
and like how you know it was just

553
00:18:28,230 --> 00:18:26,000
sitting there hovering

554
00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:28,240
and then went from you know hovering to

555
00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:29,919
i can't tell how fast it went because it

556
00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:31,120
just disappeared

557
00:18:34,630 --> 00:18:34,240
yeah and uh well you know these things

558
00:18:36,630 --> 00:18:34,640
were

559
00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:36,640
doing just kind of a consistent kind of

560
00:18:42,070 --> 00:18:38,240
kind of drifting south

561
00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:42,080
southwards uh towards saint clemente and

562
00:18:45,510 --> 00:18:44,320
you know doing a hundred knots which is

563
00:18:48,470 --> 00:18:45,520
not very

564
00:18:50,230 --> 00:18:48,480
fast for an aircraft uh you know we're

565
00:18:53,830 --> 00:18:50,240
talking you know balloon speed

566
00:18:55,909 --> 00:18:53,840
also you know ultra lights uh you know

567
00:18:58,390 --> 00:18:55,919
generally a commercial aircraft is going

568
00:19:02,310 --> 00:18:58,400
to do 200 miles an hour just to get

569
00:19:05,430 --> 00:19:02,320
airborne so for it to be

570
00:19:07,990 --> 00:19:05,440
doing 100 knots

571
00:19:08,630 --> 00:19:08,000
was uh you know a little odd and i

572
00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:08,640
remember us

573
00:19:11,669 --> 00:19:10,480
you know we were talking about that and

574
00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:11,679
it was like well you know

575
00:19:15,270 --> 00:19:13,120
i made the comment you know what are

576
00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:15,280
they also wood flyers or you know

577
00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:16,960
something you know what do we got you

578
00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:18,480
know what's going on and then of course

579
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:19,200
you know

580
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:22,320
because yeah i could see it in the the

581
00:19:25,669 --> 00:19:23,520
watch standards phase

582
00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:25,679
he had no idea you know what he was

583
00:19:29,110 --> 00:19:27,120
looking at and

584
00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:29,120
they weren't uh there's all kinds of

585
00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:30,240
transponders

586
00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:33,520
and uh equipment that help identify

587
00:19:37,270 --> 00:19:35,760
aircraft uh all commercial aircraft all

588
00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:37,280
military aircraft

589
00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:40,480
they all have uh you know indicators uh

590
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:41,600
visual

591
00:19:46,950 --> 00:19:44,640
audio and uh radio

592
00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:46,960
you know our visual and audio indicators

593
00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:48,640
and who they are and what they are

594
00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:52,480
and there's also even a system

595
00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:56,160
used called identification friend or foe

596
00:19:59,909 --> 00:19:58,960
you'll hear people talk about it say iff

597
00:20:02,390 --> 00:19:59,919
and what it is

598
00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:02,400
it's it's just a signal that shoots out

599
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:04,480
and says who you are that's all it does

600
00:20:08,630 --> 00:20:06,000
over and over again

601
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:08,640
it just it just pulses who you are i'm

602
00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:09,120
you know

603
00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:14,240
one one one one one two two two six

604
00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:16,400
heading and then from there it'll it'll

605
00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:18,480
generate where their heading is and

606
00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:20,559
how fast they're going and you know then

607
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:21,760
we can say okay that's the

608
00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:23,600
you know commercial you know and then if

609
00:20:26,149 --> 00:20:24,880
they're too close to us or they're

610
00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:26,159
running through the wrong air space

611
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:27,760
they'll get a little warning hey

612
00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:30,080
go this way or go that way and then you

613
00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:30,799
know

614
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:32,559
all stuff that i never would have had to

615
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:34,559
deal with on a daily basis

616
00:20:39,029 --> 00:20:37,120
until these unknown tracks came up going

617
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:39,039
up and looking at them radar screens was

618
00:20:42,149 --> 00:20:39,600
definitely

619
00:20:43,990 --> 00:20:42,159
not on my agenda do you know you make an

620
00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:44,000
amazing point and it's something that

621
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:46,320
this incident particular until this came

622
00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:47,039
up and

623
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:49,120
we saw things like the tic tac video the

624
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:50,480
gimbal videos

625
00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:52,960
the go fast videos i had never

626
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:53,919
considered

627
00:20:57,669 --> 00:20:57,200
things being slow and ufos being the

628
00:20:59,430 --> 00:20:57,679
same

629
00:21:01,110 --> 00:20:59,440
you always think ufo is fast it

630
00:21:02,549 --> 00:21:01,120
disappears and

631
00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:02,559
and it's when you talk about something

632
00:21:05,430 --> 00:21:04,159
going 100 knots i usually think well

633
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:05,440
something going slow that's not

634
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:06,240
interesting

635
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:07,840
but the fact is and you find out from

636
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:09,360
people like yourself and

637
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:11,360
some of the people like kevin day and

638
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:12,880
david fraver that have been interviewed

639
00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:13,440
since

640
00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:15,280
they talk about these things should fall

641
00:21:18,390 --> 00:21:17,200
out of the air they shouldn't be able to

642
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:18,400
go that slow

643
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:20,080
so it's that whole extreme of going from

644
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:21,840
super fast speeds that are

645
00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:23,600
incredible and we can't do in the human

646
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:25,360
body can't they stand to

647
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:27,120
this this thing shouldn't still stay in

648
00:21:31,029 --> 00:21:29,120
the air like you see is it

649
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:31,039
is that also drone is it floating and

650
00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:32,960
it's still managing to stay

651
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:34,240
to stay and do what it does and

652
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:35,520
obviously they go on to do some more

653
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:37,200
incredible things as well but

654
00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:39,520
yeah so at this point what's your

655
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:42,320
initial thoughts what are you thinking

656
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:44,480
well i'm thinking well it could be just

657
00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:45,840
about anything at this point

658
00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:47,440
i was half expecting them to say that

659
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:49,520
there was a uh you know a group of hot

660
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:50,480
air balloons

661
00:21:54,470 --> 00:21:53,440
and uh you know yeah this is the first

662
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:54,480
you know this is our first

663
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:58,960
indications of these things so um

664
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:01,440
we really didn't do anything about them

665
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:03,039
for quite a while

666
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:05,919
um are you allowed to do anything about

667
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:08,320
it though like in your position

668
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:11,280
uh i think i think it would have to

669
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,240
generally be

670
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:14,400
the chain of command that really kind of

671
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:16,320
determines whether or not we do

672
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:17,520
something because

673
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,240
it didn't really feel like uh anybody

674
00:22:24,310 --> 00:22:22,320
was real worried about them at all

675
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:24,320
like uh i know remember when we were in

676
00:22:28,710 --> 00:22:26,559
the gulf uh anything

677
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:28,720
that vectors towards us or comes towards

678
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:30,159
the surface or air

679
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:31,600
you know it's getting interrogated

680
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:33,840
immediately you know it where we're you

681
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:34,480
know we're up

682
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:37,600
we got loaded weapons you know

683
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:39,120
everything's locked and loaded just

684
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:41,039
point wedding ready to go and cake just

685
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:42,159
in case

686
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:44,159
you know and obviously off the coast of

687
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:46,320
you know our own country

688
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:48,080
uh you know doing a training mission

689
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:51,039
with zero weaponry other than small arms

690
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:53,679
you know we're not expecting to do an

691
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:54,640
interrogation

692
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:58,880
but um just looking back on it at the

693
00:23:01,669 --> 00:23:00,400
time you don't really question what's

694
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:01,679
going on you're just kind of sitting

695
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:02,720
there waiting

696
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:04,080
you know seeing you know just waiting

697
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:05,360
for what the chain of command is going

698
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:06,559
to do

699
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:07,919
and i remember just kind of getting a

700
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:09,520
little frustrated at a certain point

701
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:10,960
like you know why aren't we doing

702
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:12,640
anything about these things

703
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:14,640
you know uh but they weren't doing

704
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:16,080
anything hostile you know they weren't

705
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:16,960
coming directly

706
00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:19,360
at the ships they were just kind of

707
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:21,280
drifting along with us

708
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:22,799
and just kind of staying at a certain

709
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:24,400
distance and i mean there was no

710
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:26,400
particular distance it just they weren't

711
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:28,159
you know they weren't vectoring straight

712
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:29,760
at us they weren't coming right at us

713
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:30,480
you know like

714
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:32,720
like a missile or hostile aircraft i

715
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:34,240
mean they're generally gonna fly right

716
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:35,280
at you

717
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:37,039
okay so at this point you're expected to

718
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:39,120
carry on with the simulation as

719
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:41,440
as and just ignore these that's kind of

720
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:42,960
what i feel like the chain of command

721
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:44,880
decided to do is just kind of ignore

722
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:47,200
this situation and not be the

723
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:49,440
the uh the battle group that attract

724
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:51,760
unknown aircraft

725
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:53,520
is that is that still that stigma

726
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:55,520
attached to it do you think as well that

727
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:56,799
i was going to maybe touch on a little

728
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:58,880
bit later but is that something that

729
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:59,760
generally

730
00:24:02,789 --> 00:24:01,760
in that line of work that people go to

731
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:02,799
because you do

732
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:04,799
still get the laughs and jokes and it's

733
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:05,919
derisory that

734
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:08,720
it's ufos it's aliens and well you got i

735
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:09,200
guess

736
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:12,559
get two camps you got the people that

737
00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:15,120
are kind of making fun of the situation

738
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:16,640
and then you got the people that just

739
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:18,000
straight up don't believe what's going

740
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:19,360
on they don't care what you say

741
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:21,760
or what you do and yeah the stigma is

742
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:22,799
still there

743
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:25,279
uh for the surface guys like me guys

744
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:26,799
that work inside the skin of the ship

745
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:28,799
work on weapon systems stuff like that

746
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:30,320
you know none of us give a crap whether

747
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:32,480
you think you know whether we saw aliens

748
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:33,200
or not but

749
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:35,120
for you know nobody's gonna have to give

750
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:37,279
me a psychological profile

751
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:39,200
to run my billion dollar weapon system

752
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:41,760
where you know a pilot

753
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:43,279
you know he comes back down saying he's

754
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:44,960
seeing weird stuff well the first thing

755
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:46,000
they're going to do is give them a

756
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,200
psyche valve

757
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:49,200
you know so yeah yeah so i mean there's

758
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:50,880
a big difference between the worlds of

759
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:52,640
fravor and the worlds of uh you know

760
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:54,320
gary voorhees the uh

761
00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:56,080
you know mundane computer tech sitting

762
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:57,520
in an air-conditioned space with his

763
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:00,799
feet up waiting for something to happen

764
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:02,240
totally i totally see where you come

765
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:04,080
from and but the more the stories come

766
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:05,440
out they've absolutely both got

767
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:07,760
their place and yeah it's not a dog

768
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:09,520
fight with something dropping from 80

769
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:10,559
000 feet and

770
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,320
and twisting back and forward at you but

771
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:14,159
i say it's it's quite incredible

772
00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:16,480
part of the story that you've you've

773
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,840
witnessed obviously is there

774
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:19,440
so is there anyone else in the room with

775
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:21,840
you just before we move on on that that

776
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:23,600
was also seen the same thing as you at

777
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:25,360
this point you're told to carry on but

778
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:26,799
if you've got someone sitting next to

779
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:28,240
you that you're making eye contact and

780
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:29,600
you know going

781
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:31,120
well i would i would talk to the watch

782
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:32,559
standards you get to remember my uh my

783
00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:34,080
computer room with my computer

784
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:35,679
with all the mainframes and stuff is a

785
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:37,440
separate space from

786
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:39,279
uh combat central which is what you

787
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:40,720
would see in the movies with the big

788
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:42,559
screens and all the radars and stuff

789
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:43,120
like that

790
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:45,120
so i would actually have to go up one

791
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:46,799
deck and then go

792
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:49,840
it's literally right above my space but

793
00:25:53,110 --> 00:25:51,520
it's it's kind of like i think of an

794
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:53,120
apartment building and it's literally

795
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:54,159
the apartment right up

796
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:55,679
right above if i hit my broom on the

797
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:57,520
roof they're going to hear it sure

798
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:59,919
okay you know you get the point so i

799
00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:00,799
have to go up to

800
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:02,720
a set of stairs and then then combat is

801
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:03,840
right there

802
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:07,760
and um but uh you know i had full access

803
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:09,520
to combat so you know

804
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:11,279
you know and during non-combat

805
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:12,640
situations

806
00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:14,880
it's no big deal as long as you're you

807
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:16,240
know as long as there's not a million

808
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:17,360
people in combat

809
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:19,760
you know if it's just one guy and i'm up

810
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:21,679
there bullshitting with a watch stand or

811
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:23,360
something like that it's never a big

812
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:24,640
deal as long as they're still doing

813
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:26,080
their job

814
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:29,840
um so you know i'd go up there

815
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:31,360
talk to the guys you know say hey you

816
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:33,200
still got that track you know

817
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:35,039
or uh or i'd look at the look at the

818
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:36,720
console itself and try to find out where

819
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:37,679
the bearing is

820
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:39,679
and you know throughout the week if i

821
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:40,960
thought it might be close enough to see

822
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:43,039
on the big guys i'd go try to see it

823
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:44,799
sometimes i'd see things sometimes i

824
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:47,039
wouldn't um not really at a distance to

825
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:47,840
be

826
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:50,559
you know you know writing home about but

827
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:51,279
you know

828
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:54,640
it was an object moving weird at a

829
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:55,600
distance that

830
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:58,720
you know and bearing that it was uh same

831
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,159
as where the object was

832
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:02,159
or should be from where i saw it on

833
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:04,720
radar so

834
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:06,159
i got a little excited about that

835
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:08,159
because you know that's and then after

836
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:11,120
the interrogation that was like uh

837
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:13,520
that was like whoa you know i got to see

838
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:15,760
when i saw the interrogation video

839
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:20,320
i was just like i i remember that uh

840
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:22,640
that realization and that you know it's

841
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:23,360
like when you

842
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:25,360
your your hands feel like they just went

843
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:27,039
instantly cold and your brain goes a

844
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:28,720
little numb and it's just like

845
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:30,320
you go into the shock a little just a

846
00:27:33,669 --> 00:27:32,000
little bit for like you know

847
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:33,679
oh my god is there something bad gonna

848
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:35,120
happen from this you know are we all

849
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:36,799
gonna get lined up and shot

850
00:27:40,389 --> 00:27:38,480
you know am i supposed to be watching

851
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:40,399
this and then you know uh

852
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:43,520
yeah so and then but

853
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:45,279
then it kind of passed you know real

854
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:46,799
quick and then just like all right well

855
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:48,320
i need to go get a zip drive and get a

856
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:49,279
copy of this and

857
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,440
you know of course after we watched it

858
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:53,279
twice and you know i got back to my

859
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,320
space and went back

860
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:56,559
back to where i was watching the video

861
00:28:01,830 --> 00:27:59,600
uh you know it was already gone so

862
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,840
and i just want to touch on that then so

863
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:03,600
firstly just to take you back a step

864
00:28:07,510 --> 00:28:05,360
when you talk about the big eyes so

865
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:07,520
you've you've seen it on radar

866
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:09,279
that's the kind of end of that for you

867
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:10,799
because you're not taking any more

868
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:11,200
action

869
00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:13,919
as far as it's concerned the big eyes

870
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:15,840
for layman's terms that's just a big set

871
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:17,440
of binoculars on top of the

872
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:19,039
on top of the ship you can look at the

873
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:20,799
distance on is that right that is

874
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:21,600
correct

875
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:23,279
okay what and you're saying you don't

876
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:24,880
see much to write home about but enough

877
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:26,159
to get excited like

878
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:30,159
what do you see um so at night you'll

879
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:30,799
definitely

880
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:33,840
see a lit object um

881
00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:36,640
during the day it would be a bright

882
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:37,840
object still but

883
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:40,080
it wouldn't you know it's not as visible

884
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:41,520
during the day and it would kind of look

885
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:43,679
like a

886
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:46,080
dark speck if you know if it was a nice

887
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:47,120
nice day

888
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:49,679
you could see him if it was close enough

889
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:50,159
but

890
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:52,559
out of probably the dozens and dozens of

891
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:54,320
times that i tried to see him i may have

892
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:57,600
only got to see him maybe three times

893
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:59,440
and how was it moving was it just

894
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:00,880
sitting there could you could you make

895
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:03,600
out any movement at that distance so

896
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:06,080
uh when i saw it at night a couple of

897
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:08,080
times i was able to really kind of

898
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:12,720
see it during the day unless unless it

899
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:14,159
was sitting still

900
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:15,919
and then it moved a little bit you

901
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:17,520
really wouldn't notice it that much

902
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:19,600
not from the distances we were at but i

903
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:20,880
got to see it

904
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:23,679
um not in any like i said any great real

905
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:24,559
detail

906
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:26,159
just know that there's a dark object

907
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:28,080
there and i know what it is

908
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:30,320
and you know but you know i was kind of

909
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:35,510
i can literally remember at one point at

910
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:36,880
night i was up there

911
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:38,720
and nobody else was up there it was

912
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:40,080
windy as hell

913
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:42,399
uh it was just kind of a crappy night

914
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:43,279
for weather

915
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:46,480
it was clear but it was windy and when

916
00:29:49,269 --> 00:29:48,000
it's really windy you don't really want

917
00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:49,279
to be out on the skin of the ship while

918
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:51,120
we're while we're trucking along

919
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:53,760
yeah especially where the you know the

920
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:56,000
big guys is it's it's real windy

921
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:57,520
um i can remember looking through that

922
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:59,360
thing and just like almost like

923
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:01,039
wishing that it would come just just

924
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:02,720
come closer so i could see exactly what

925
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:04,080
you look like

926
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:06,399
yeah and that's totally natural as well

927
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:07,679
and just to

928
00:30:12,389 --> 00:30:09,919
prefix a question i'm going to ask did

929
00:30:14,990 --> 00:30:12,399
did you have a belief in

930
00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:15,000
just to say aliens ufos uaps

931
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,159
extraterrestrials

932
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:18,480
whatever this might be beforehand or is

933
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:19,679
this something that changed your

934
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:20,960
thinking

935
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:23,200
um well i don't think it really ever

936
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:24,480
changed my thinking

937
00:30:28,470 --> 00:30:27,360
i think it definitely uh changed my

938
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:28,480
perspective

939
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:31,760
on um what is

940
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:35,600
possible um i've always been uh

941
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:39,200
you know morse i guess

942
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:40,880
more skeptical of everything more of a

943
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:42,640
skeptical believer it's like

944
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:45,679
ufos were cool werewolves are cool but

945
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:48,799
until i see one they really aren't real

946
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,159
it's just a great it's just a great

947
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:52,159
story you know if you know

948
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:54,159
basically until you see one everybody

949
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:55,840
else has mental illness

950
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:58,320
yeah yeah and so at the time you're

951
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:58,880
seeing this

952
00:31:01,909 --> 00:31:01,200
object what would your thoughts have

953
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:01,919
been

954
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:04,399
like what what do you think it is is it

955
00:31:07,669 --> 00:31:05,440
just something that

956
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:07,679
while that's cool or is your mind kind

957
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:10,480
of wondering or

958
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:13,840
well uh i remember how does it work

959
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:20,710
how can it possibly be

960
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:24,000
what we what we're you know how is this

961
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:25,679
thing doing the things that it's doing

962
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:27,360
how is it going from

963
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:30,320
you know like 28 000 feet to sea level

964
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:32,240
in seconds you know how is it moving

965
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:33,039
from

966
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:34,720
one point in the sky to another point in

967
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:36,159
the sky and

968
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:38,720
you know in a way that when you're

969
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:39,519
looking at it like

970
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:41,120
there was one the one time when i really

971
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:42,880
got to see it move on the horizon was at

972
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:44,080
night

973
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:46,000
and it moved from one point to another

974
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:47,600
and i remember

975
00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:49,440
not realizing it moved at first because

976
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:52,159
of how fast it moved

977
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:54,080
and then i was like well maybe it was a

978
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:55,600
different object and then now

979
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:58,399
sure enough you know it wasn't you know

980
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:00,159
so it was just the same object it just

981
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:02,559
moved from one point to another

982
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,320
and uh you know it looks like your brian

983
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:06,399
took a second to to really kind of

984
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,159
grasp that it moved it moved so fast

985
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:12,720
and with the passing of time has your

986
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:13,679
opinion

987
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:15,039
from what you know then and what you

988
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:17,120
know now things you've experienced

989
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,679
and with 16 years you know extra

990
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:21,600
experience you want to call that on top

991
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:23,200
do you still think the same about it is

992
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:24,880
there anything more you would

993
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:27,360
you would add to that well i've played

994
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:28,960
out a lot of different scenarios in my

995
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:30,399
head there's just so much

996
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:34,640
unknown uh about

997
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:36,480
everything about it you know i mean

998
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:38,159
really the only thing that i could take

999
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:39,200
away is that

1000
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:41,360
that there's technology that's either

1001
00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:42,399
being

1002
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:45,200
carteled on our planet or not from our

1003
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:45,840
planet

1004
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:47,840
or i mean and it's just there's just not

1005
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:50,080
enough information in any way to really

1006
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:50,799
say

1007
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:53,600
100 that this is alien 100 this is the

1008
00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:54,399
government

1009
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:57,919
you know um i've been approached by

1010
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:00,880
everybody under the sun you know so

1011
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:02,960
people telling me that they're demons

1012
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:05,039
tell them and then they have conclusive

1013
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:06,399
proof but

1014
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:08,000
anybody that comes at me that says they

1015
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:09,600
know 100 what

1016
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:12,480
what everything is i generally start

1017
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:14,000
with skepticism

1018
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:17,919
because i know i'm i'm

1019
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:20,720
you know i'm not any anybody crazy

1020
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:22,480
important but i worked on a lot of you

1021
00:33:26,389 --> 00:33:24,240
know weapon systems and i

1022
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:26,399
i've got a lot of people around me that

1023
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:27,760
do know a lot of things

1024
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:29,919
and you know none of them know what it

1025
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:31,760
is you know i know people that make me

1026
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:32,080
feel

1027
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:34,240
stupid and they have no idea what this

1028
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:35,679
is so how does this

1029
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:38,000
you know you know this person that

1030
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:39,679
literally

1031
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:42,480
hasn't been anywhere done anything you

1032
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:42,799
know

1033
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:53,519
sure i

1034
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:55,840
generally kind of dismiss until they

1035
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,679
give me real proof

1036
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:59,440
no of course and listen i'll let my mind

1037
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:01,360
wander as fantastic as oh yeah

1038
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:02,799
and but there comes a point you have to

1039
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:05,440
look and go yeah but but as that and the

1040
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:06,080
amount of people

1041
00:34:10,230 --> 00:34:08,879
i follow on twitter and particularly

1042
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:10,240
recently there's some sightings that's

1043
00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:12,159
been on there and you look and go

1044
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:14,079
yeah and i'd love to say that's an alien

1045
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:15,760
spacecraft or i'd love to say that it's

1046
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:17,280
even some kind of incredible

1047
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:20,079
u.s chinese russian piece of technology

1048
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:20,720
but

1049
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:22,320
it clearly looks like it's probably a

1050
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:24,079
balloon or do you know what someone's

1051
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:24,560
knocked

1052
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:26,879
up on their pc in five minutes with cgi

1053
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:28,800
and you still get those comments that

1054
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:30,399
try and pass this off and that never

1055
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:32,000
helps the situation so

1056
00:34:35,349 --> 00:34:33,919
i can totally appreciate that one thing

1057
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:35,359
just before i move on slightly i want to

1058
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:36,879
take you back to if you don't mind

1059
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:38,639
it was a second point i wanted to make

1060
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:40,079
so you mentioned about the

1061
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:42,480
the radar data uh you potentially wanted

1062
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:44,240
to take some of on a zip drive and you

1063
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:45,440
know for your own personal kind of

1064
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:47,679
reference in future

1065
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:50,000
not to go back too much but david fravor

1066
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:51,839
has mentioned that he believes the data

1067
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:53,200
was more than likely deleted

1068
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:54,560
unintentionally

1069
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:57,359
um whereas am i right you've been quoted

1070
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:58,079
that

1071
00:35:01,670 --> 00:35:00,240
a helicopter arrived on ship and then 20

1072
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:01,680
minutes later the data was gone so it

1073
00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:03,280
was actually taken off the ship as far

1074
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:04,560
as you know

1075
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:06,320
now you got to remember that data i'm

1076
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:08,560
talking about is radar tracks

1077
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:12,560
radar data environmental data

1078
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:14,480
the stuff that basically everything that

1079
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:16,480
the aegis weapon system and the cec

1080
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:18,000
systems record

1081
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:20,320
uh which is still you know it's it's

1082
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:21,119
basically

1083
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:24,000
a three-dimensional picture of

1084
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:24,960
everything that went

1085
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:26,880
on if you have the right software to

1086
00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:28,560
look at yeah

1087
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:30,079
all right yeah so i mean that's what was

1088
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:31,920
taken for me what was taken from david

1089
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:32,560
fravor

1090
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:34,720
would have been his actual video the

1091
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:36,800
flear video the actual

1092
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:39,040
physical video so that it so you got two

1093
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:40,160
two different

1094
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:42,079
you got apples and oranges there you

1095
00:35:46,069 --> 00:35:43,520
know so it's

1096
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:46,079
um that's that's fair thanks for

1097
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:47,760
clearing that up and can i just ask then

1098
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:48,240
so

1099
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:50,560
that data being taken is that normal

1100
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:51,520
practice

1101
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:53,599
or would you have expected that to still

1102
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:54,640
have been there so

1103
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,720
what i'm trying to get as is i believe

1104
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:58,480
at one point you said men in suits

1105
00:36:03,349 --> 00:35:59,760
i don't want to say the words men in

1106
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:03,359
black because that's clearly i think

1107
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:06,240
i refer to them as the men in khaki

1108
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,960
right okay

1109
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,240
because they were just they're dressed

1110
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:10,800
averagely um uh there were guys

1111
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:13,599
polos khakis you know blue jeans came

1112
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:15,839
aboard windbreakers

1113
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:18,960
uh they came aboard

1114
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:20,720
30 minutes later i had to turn over all

1115
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:23,200
my tapes and the helicopter left

1116
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:25,119
my assumption is they took all the tapes

1117
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:26,320
and data

1118
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:28,800
um they were not on board the ship

1119
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:31,200
afterwards so

1120
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:33,440
uh are you surprised at that given what

1121
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:35,119
you saw given what was recorded

1122
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:38,000
no uh we had an incident where a

1123
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:38,880
aircraft

1124
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:41,760
went down during uh during one of the

1125
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:42,560
deployments

1126
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:46,240
and uh you know

1127
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:48,240
once that was done we were told to mark

1128
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:49,280
the date you know

1129
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:52,079
mark which tapes would have recorded it

1130
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:53,599
and set them aside

1131
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:55,599
and they and then they had people come

1132
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:56,880
aboard and take those

1133
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:01,040
but it wasn't like this was uh you know

1134
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:02,640
that was when we hit port again there

1135
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:04,560
was somebody to take those tapes

1136
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:06,720
there really wasn't a pressing matter

1137
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,480
and there wasn't somebody coming flying

1138
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:10,560
out to the ship to pick them up

1139
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:12,160
um you know they were they were doing an

1140
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:13,839
investigation but

1141
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:17,040
you know we were in the arabian gulf so

1142
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:18,800
it was you know we were in the middle of

1143
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:21,119
you know destroying an entire country at

1144
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:22,720
the time so they weren't

1145
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:25,280
it wasn't a priority there's been a bit

1146
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:27,040
of a gap now since that incident and

1147
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:28,400
leading up to the

1148
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:29,760
events that kind of got you coming out

1149
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:31,359
and starting to do interviews and what

1150
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:31,760
yeah

1151
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:33,680
uh well basically that started back up

1152
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:36,160
in uh 2017 when

1153
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:38,720
the new york times did the article about

1154
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:40,160
the the nimitz event

1155
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:44,000
and uh david fraver came out and uh

1156
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:46,400
about it and you know publicly admitted

1157
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:47,200
that he you know

1158
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:50,079
basically got into it i don't really

1159
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:51,520
consider it a dog fight

1160
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:54,400
but a dog fight with an alien spacecraft

1161
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:55,599
uh i think you would have to actually

1162
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:57,280
have a dog in that fight to have it in a

1163
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,720
dog fight

1164
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,240
so yeah i think i used to phrase

1165
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:02,160
dogfight earlier and i think dogfight

1166
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:03,760
you're thinking will smith independence

1167
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:04,240
day

1168
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:06,800
that's a dog fight yeah okay so maybe

1169
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:08,160
more of an interaction

1170
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,760
to him he's flying against an unknown

1171
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:11,200
aircraft so for him

1172
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:14,480
it is a 100 a dog fight he didn't

1173
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:17,680
stand a chance but you know he was

1174
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:20,240
definitely you know flying you know

1175
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:21,599
flying trying to find

1176
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:24,880
wing wing the no wing to this object

1177
00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:26,960
and uh you know it just did circles

1178
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:28,400
around him so

1179
00:38:32,069 --> 00:38:31,200
and he was one of our best pilots uh he

1180
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:32,079
you know he was

1181
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:35,359
he was you know great highly

1182
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:37,920
rated as you know as a pilot you know he

1183
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:38,880
was he had a

1184
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:41,760
a crazy long service history you know he

1185
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:42,079
had

1186
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:44,560
credentials i mean up and down his

1187
00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:46,000
sleeves all across his chest

1188
00:38:49,349 --> 00:38:47,440
as far as the eye can see you know i

1189
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:49,359
mean we're not talking about like you

1190
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:50,000
know

1191
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:51,760
some green pilot to just through you

1192
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:53,680
know throughout

1193
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:54,960
tom cruise and the top gun you're

1194
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:56,800
talking about here this is the

1195
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:58,800
top of the class type guy yeah he's

1196
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:00,160
definitely you know

1197
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:02,720
a highly intelligent articulate person

1198
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:03,920
that you know

1199
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,680
got where he got because of his skill

1200
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:07,680
set you know

1201
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:10,320
so you know and you just meant you just

1202
00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:11,839
mentioned her gary so that that's all

1203
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:13,599
kind of came about and you you've came

1204
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:15,680
to the forefront with some others

1205
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:17,440
since that new york times article in

1206
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:19,599
december 2017 and

1207
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:21,200
when i say i've always had an interest

1208
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:22,960
in ufology and ufos

1209
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,560
this really ignited what i was

1210
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:26,640
interested in and again like it did for

1211
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:28,320
so many people as well

1212
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:29,760
what were your thoughts when you saw

1213
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:31,599
those headlines and you saw what came

1214
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,960
out in the content

1215
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:34,320
well i'll be honest with you i didn't

1216
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:36,640
see them i didn't see anything until

1217
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:40,560
almost 2018 when i was contacted by a

1218
00:39:47,829 --> 00:39:43,040
shipmate that everybody knows now

1219
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:47,839
um that would be mr kevin day

1220
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:51,760
he uh he contacted me with a

1221
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:54,320
filmmaker that i had no idea who he was

1222
00:40:01,829 --> 00:39:55,359
dave beatty

1223
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:01,839
um he'd like to do an interview with you

1224
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,359
if you're you know if you're willing to

1225
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:05,280
talk and you know at first i

1226
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:07,760
i was a bit hesitant to talk about it

1227
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:09,359
you know because i mean

1228
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:11,520
classified information you know it was a

1229
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:13,200
classified situation

1230
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:15,200
you know so i wanted to make sure that i

1231
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:16,720
couldn't get in trouble for talking

1232
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:18,319
about it first so

1233
00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:22,000
and so i contacted some of my uh

1234
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:23,920
people i worked with you know because i

1235
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:25,760
remember signing something

1236
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:27,760
and what it ended up being was just a

1237
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:29,200
chain of custody for my

1238
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:32,079
for my data recording james so was your

1239
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:33,280
did you think it was some kind of

1240
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:34,560
non-disclosure agreement

1241
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:36,079
that you shouldn't i thought about yeah

1242
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:37,599
i just wanted to make sure what i signed

1243
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:38,000
wasn't

1244
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:39,680
like a non-disclosure or anything like

1245
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:41,440
that but then i got confirmation that

1246
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:41,920
you know

1247
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,599
i definitely didn't sign any type of

1248
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:45,599
non-disclosure so after that

1249
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:47,359
i i really didn't have a problem talking

1250
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:49,040
about it because i mean most of the most

1251
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:50,160
of the world's not going to believe you

1252
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:51,599
anyways so

1253
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:52,880
what did it have to hurt to get the

1254
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:55,040
story out there support my shipmates you

1255
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:55,839
know

1256
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:57,680
no and it's been amazing that so many of

1257
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:59,200
you have came forward and

1258
00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:00,800
and since then there are still people

1259
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:02,560
coming out and

1260
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:04,319
again we can only hope more and more

1261
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:06,079
comes out and more incidents you know to

1262
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:07,359
build on this because

1263
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:08,720
so many kind of false dawns have

1264
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:10,960
happened where not to use the d word but

1265
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:11,920
like disclosure

1266
00:41:15,349 --> 00:41:13,440
for whatever that is and what that means

1267
00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:15,359
to different people see they'll just

1268
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:15,920
never be

1269
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:17,680
the type of disclosure that everybody in

1270
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:20,319
this field wants it's going to be

1271
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:22,960
trickled down it's going to be filtered

1272
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:24,400
into our society

1273
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:26,640
it'll be you know when it's here we

1274
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:28,160
won't know it's here because it would

1275
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:28,960
have already been

1276
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:32,079
integrated into our society yeah the

1277
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:34,240
famous ufo landing on the white house

1278
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:34,640
lawn

1279
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:36,800
i think is what people think that's what

1280
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:37,920
we need and let's be honest i think

1281
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:39,040
there's still a lot of people

1282
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:41,119
especially in today's society that

1283
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:42,560
wouldn't believe it

1284
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:43,920
and still would think there was

1285
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:49,270
can i just ask dave b e you mentioned

1286
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:50,079
that was dave b

1287
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:51,359
was doing a documentary was that the

1288
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:52,880
unidentified series that you got

1289
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:54,000
involved in

1290
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:56,160
you know i actually didn't get involved

1291
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:58,160
with uh to the stars academy

1292
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:01,440
and the uh the history channel until

1293
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:05,119
after um we did the ufo con

1294
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:08,720
um actually it was a poor after that was

1295
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:10,160
before all right i said no we filmed

1296
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:12,400
that before

1297
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:14,480
but it was after they had gotten a hold

1298
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:15,680
of me and

1299
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:17,440
then the history channel got a hold of

1300
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,599
uh

1301
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:21,440
everybody else and then they asked then

1302
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:24,079
i got a phone call from

1303
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:28,000
uh you know all of the

1304
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:30,240
top dogs instead into the stars academy

1305
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:31,119
you know

1306
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:33,440
trying to get me to do an interview and

1307
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:34,640
i'm like well where are we going to do

1308
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:35,280
this interview

1309
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:38,800
because i i can't leave you know and so

1310
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:40,480
they end up being doing that interview

1311
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:40,880
right

1312
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:44,720
want to do later and i'll talk about but

1313
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:46,000
are you talking about like your louie

1314
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:47,599
elizondo tom delong

1315
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:51,200
chris melon yeah okay i never i never

1316
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:52,560
got to talk to tom delong

1317
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:54,720
but uh i did get to talk to tom delong

1318
00:43:00,349 --> 00:42:56,480
one time yeah

1319
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:00,359
but i i talked to him in

1320
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:03,040
2003 on the end of our deployment

1321
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:05,599
matter of fact it wasn't but maybe a

1322
00:43:10,829 --> 00:43:07,680
half a year before this event

1323
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:10,839
him and his band did a a uso

1324
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:14,400
uh concert on the nimitz on our way back

1325
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:14,960
from

1326
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:17,280
deployment that's cool so you got to see

1327
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:18,400
blink 182

1328
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:20,560
yeah yeah so i went to the carrier and

1329
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:22,800
got to see uh tom delong in concert

1330
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:26,079
and then you know here i am you know 17

1331
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:27,760
years later and the guy you know his

1332
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:30,240
guys organizations contacted me to

1333
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,359
talk about ufos and he probably played a

1334
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:35,280
song if you know them well enough aliens

1335
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:36,880
exist which is all about you know the

1336
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,560
cia and aliens and

1337
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:40,720
his beliefs and whatnot so it's amazing

1338
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:41,839
what's happened so

1339
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:44,319
can you talk to me a little bit about uh

1340
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:46,400
unidentified how that came about

1341
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:47,839
get involved with it and your thoughts

1342
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:49,760
on to the stars academy

1343
00:43:53,829 --> 00:43:51,359
well i i don't have much of a thought

1344
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:53,839
about the stars i i don't really

1345
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:55,520
honestly i really don't care either way

1346
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:56,640
what they do

1347
00:44:01,270 --> 00:44:00,319
um if they uh you know i got a feeling

1348
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:01,280
that

1349
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:02,800
once they got the government back

1350
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,640
involved with their research that it

1351
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:06,560
goes back to being hush-hush it's just

1352
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:07,680
more of a

1353
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:09,839
yes we are working on it but no we can't

1354
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:11,040
talk about it you know

1355
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:12,480
and that's you know because there's no

1356
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:13,599
there's nothing that the government's

1357
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:14,319
going to do

1358
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:15,680
or have its fingers and it's not

1359
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:18,880
classified while they're researching it

1360
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:21,680
you know so is that disappointing for

1361
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:24,000
you that they've went that way

1362
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,760
um like i said i if i was a part of that

1363
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:29,040
organization

1364
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:32,000
uh it might be but and you know and in

1365
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:32,640
the future

1366
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:34,160
if their organization ever actually

1367
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:36,000
wants to get involved

1368
00:44:40,710 --> 00:44:38,960
with like uatx you know they've got the

1369
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:40,720
resources

1370
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:47,040
which is like why with our nonprofit our

1371
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:48,720
board of directors

1372
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:50,800
we decided that we would be donation

1373
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:51,920
only

1374
00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:54,000
and we would not let people actually

1375
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:55,599
invest into

1376
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:58,960
uapx and i'm going to come onto you apx

1377
00:45:01,910 --> 00:45:00,319
actually in just a minute

1378
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:01,920
i just want to get one more thought then

1379
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:05,040
on on ttsa then so

1380
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,640
with them going down the route of being

1381
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:08,160
involved with the government

1382
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,160
so maybe you're not surprised what if

1383
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:12,240
you were the government why do you want

1384
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:15,440
to bring a group like tksa in house

1385
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:17,599
like that what would your thoughts be

1386
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:19,280
well i mean look at the people that were

1387
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:20,000
involved

1388
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:22,240
i mean i remember looking up chris

1389
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:23,680
mellon for the first time and like

1390
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:25,119
why the [\h__\h] is this guy coming out to

1391
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:26,640
talk to me he's a bit more important

1392
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,720
than me

1393
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:30,560
just just the guy's title was more

1394
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:31,680
important than anything i've ever done

1395
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:33,359
in my life so

1396
00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:35,280
you know here are these people that like

1397
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:36,560
have this uh you know

1398
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,960
these crazy credentials and they're all

1399
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:41,040
talking to me like i'm uh you know doing

1400
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,359
this you know great service to the world

1401
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:45,599
you know it's like you know it's hard to

1402
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:47,119
believe

1403
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:49,440
so did you watch the series yourself the

1404
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:50,720
six episodes

1405
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:53,119
yes i i watched i watched the series

1406
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:53,839
like uh

1407
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:56,720
you know um you know because kevin day

1408
00:45:59,829 --> 00:45:57,920
sean cahill

1409
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:59,839
uh those guys are our good buddies of

1410
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:01,040
mine um

1411
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:03,119
i remember me and sean used to use the

1412
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:04,960
bs a lot on board when we were on

1413
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:06,079
deployment

1414
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:09,359
um you know so i mean it's

1415
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:12,000
yeah i i know all of those guys really

1416
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:12,880
well

1417
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:14,480
so it was more of a personal interest

1418
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:16,160
from that point of view rather than

1419
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:17,920
i wonder where this is going and like

1420
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:19,520
you say you maybe don't have that

1421
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:21,119
you don't have that investment with them

1422
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:22,560
it was more a case of it was something

1423
00:46:26,829 --> 00:46:23,599
you were involved in

1424
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:26,839
from the instant standpoint yeah i'd be

1425
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:29,280
happy if you just get in my house

1426
00:46:32,550 --> 00:46:30,720
and said well you just can't ever talk

1427
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:32,560
about it i'm like okay i'm good

1428
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:35,359
yeah fair enough fair enough man you've

1429
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:37,359
mentioned uap expeditions

1430
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:39,680
uh talk to me a little bit about that um

1431
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:41,280
your involvement

1432
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:42,880
understand a vice president is that

1433
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:44,640
right

1434
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:46,480
uh so a lot about your involvement your

1435
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:47,680
goals and aims

1436
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:50,480
um just to start with please all right

1437
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:52,400
so kevin came to me a couple years ago

1438
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:53,119
with this

1439
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:56,319
idea of starting a non-profit to go and

1440
00:47:00,230 --> 00:46:57,119
try to

1441
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:00,240
research these objects that we saw

1442
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:02,880
well you know at first it really was

1443
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:03,599
kind of

1444
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,200
not really going anywhere so i'm like

1445
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:06,960
yeah yeah no problem he goes

1446
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:09,599
yeah i need you to be the president you

1447
00:47:12,550 --> 00:47:10,720
know and stuff like that and i'm like

1448
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:12,560
well is it only a name because i really

1449
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:14,800
just don't have time for this

1450
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:17,119
you know i got a full-time job i've got

1451
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:18,400
a family to deal with

1452
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:21,520
you know do it and you know i've got to

1453
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,160
have

1454
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:24,400
time for my family time for work and you

1455
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:26,559
know help me helping run a non-profit

1456
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:27,680
takes a lot of time

1457
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:30,880
and effort uh so i said well i'll be the

1458
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:32,640
vice president just so that i can you

1459
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:33,280
know

1460
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:37,200
it yeah

1461
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:40,559
he goes that works that works yeah so um

1462
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:42,319
then we uh kind of had just that loose

1463
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:44,240
structure for a long time

1464
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:46,720
and then now that uh things are starting

1465
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:48,640
to come together a little bit more

1466
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:51,440
uh we've got a little bit of our

1467
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:52,160
infrastructure

1468
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:54,960
already set up for you know uh

1469
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:56,720
everything we've got our uh our game

1470
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:57,280
plan

1471
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:01,839
you know we're going to go out back out

1472
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:04,960
off the coast and near san camente uh

1473
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:07,040
we've already got the aries uh that that

1474
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:08,400
with the area that we're going to

1475
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:09,760
investigate

1476
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:12,880
uh already sectioned off we're gonna

1477
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:13,599
have two

1478
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:15,280
two ships we're gonna go out there we're

1479
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:17,920
gonna check for every type of radiation

1480
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:18,720
we're gonna do

1481
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:24,000
magnetics we're gonna check for gravity

1482
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:26,000
you know we're gonna do yeah if there's

1483
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:27,599
a sensor that you can check for

1484
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:29,520
something

1485
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,640
we are going to be able to

1486
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:34,319
uh we're going to do a great pattern

1487
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,760
across that entire area

1488
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:37,440
we're going to do environmentals we're

1489
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:38,880
going to do um

1490
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:41,440
salinity tests but i mean we were

1491
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:42,880
literally going to leave no stone

1492
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:44,640
unturned in that area to find out

1493
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:48,720
why that area is such a hot spot

1494
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:51,920
and because uh after we did some

1495
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:54,240
investigation we found out for you know

1496
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:56,160
over 100 years people that have lived

1497
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:57,599
all throughout there the baja

1498
00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:00,079
peninsula and everything have been seen

1499
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:02,160
you know everything from orbs to just

1500
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,960
you know to the same objects we saw to

1501
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:06,480
all kinds of weird phenomenon out in

1502
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:08,240
those waters to stuff under the water

1503
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:09,599
too

1504
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:11,920
you know so it's uh you know fast-moving

1505
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:13,680
objects zipping under the water

1506
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:17,280
lit up you know i mean granted

1507
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:19,200
i have no idea what those could be but

1508
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:20,480
it's still

1509
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:23,599
enough for us to

1510
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:27,119
want to heavily research that area um

1511
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:28,720
and that so that's our whole goal for

1512
00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:31,440
now is just to try to research that area

1513
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:33,440
try to get some data some hard at

1514
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:36,240
hard data on something that's going on

1515
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:37,280
in that area

1516
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:38,960
maybe if we're lucky we might even be

1517
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:40,880
able to actually film

1518
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:43,680
record and you know get some actual data

1519
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:45,839
on tic tacs too

1520
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:47,440
i've got a couple of questions i've had

1521
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:49,359
a few people ask me to ask you

1522
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:50,880
and then i've got a basically a quick

1523
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:52,400
fire to end on where i'm going to reach

1524
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:54,000
out a word or a name and just get your

1525
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:55,920
thoughts on it if you've got any okay

1526
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:59,200
sounds good um so i've got gareth has

1527
00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:00,319
basically got in touch

1528
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:02,160
uh with two questions and he's saying

1529
00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:04,079
there's been so many sightings recently

1530
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:05,839
um especially celebrities getting

1531
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:07,520
involved in the ufo field

1532
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:09,200
if you've seen logan paul the last few

1533
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:10,960
days on twitter um

1534
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:14,160
or uh michelle phelps our boxing analyst

1535
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:16,319
has posted a lot of videos on as well do

1536
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:17,599
you think it's only a matter of time

1537
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:20,000
before we do get any kind of smoking gun

1538
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:24,800
footage captured well um

1539
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:27,520
unless we we have uh you know networks

1540
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:28,559
of cameras

1541
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:30,640
uh set up and there's actually a couple

1542
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:32,400
of companies that if you if you go to

1543
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:33,599
our website

1544
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:36,720
what i i sorry the names just passing me

1545
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:38,000
up now but they they've actually

1546
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:39,520
partnered with us

1547
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:41,760
and their whole goal is to set up these

1548
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:43,440
like observatories these small

1549
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:45,520
observatories these cameras

1550
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:48,880
just just to catch things in the sky and

1551
00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:51,280
i think until we get a big enough

1552
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:53,920
amount of people looking up that we're

1553
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:54,880
not going to get

1554
00:50:58,150 --> 00:50:56,880
any of this really good information that

1555
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:58,160
we really want to

1556
00:51:01,190 --> 00:51:00,240
i mean the fact that you know it's just

1557
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:01,200
kind of written off

1558
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:05,440
for so long hi

1559
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:08,800
my daughter that's all right say hi

1560
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:12,160
and uh yeah

1561
00:51:16,150 --> 00:51:14,640
it's only going to be through that kind

1562
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:16,160
of research that we're going to be able

1563
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:17,599
to

1564
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:20,720
actually get that nice

1565
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:22,880
footage that we want and even if you get

1566
00:51:26,549 --> 00:51:24,160
that nice clear crisp

1567
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:26,559
footage are we going to believe it yeah

1568
00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:27,839
you know i mean because i mean we've

1569
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,960
been used to

1570
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:30,720
look at these fuzzy grading things and

1571
00:51:34,829 --> 00:51:32,079
trying to interpret

1572
00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:34,839
these pictures and these horrible flare

1573
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:35,760
videos and

1574
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:39,119
these super compressed garbage videos

1575
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:41,839
you know so it's uh all of a sudden you

1576
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:43,359
get something super clear and it's like

1577
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:45,359
oh this is obviously fake

1578
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:46,800
yeah there's no way somebody's getting

1579
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:49,359
4k video of this you know and then

1580
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:52,720
of course 4k video looks fake yeah

1581
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:53,839
and you know that's something that

1582
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:55,920
really really grinds with me is when you

1583
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:56,559
see

1584
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:58,400
what looks like a good piece of youtube

1585
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:00,559
ufo footage and it'll say something like

1586
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:03,119
the first of december 2019 santiago

1587
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:03,680
chile

1588
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:04,960
and someone's filmed it from their

1589
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:06,400
balcony and you think oh that that is

1590
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:07,520
really interesting

1591
00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:09,359
and they get a good zoom and you see

1592
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:10,720
it's a minute and a half long

1593
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:12,079
and at the end of the minute and a half

1594
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:14,000
it cuts off and you think i want

1595
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:15,920
i want to see it leave i want to see

1596
00:52:18,309 --> 00:52:17,599
this thing shoot off and what that looks

1597
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:18,319
like and

1598
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:19,760
it just always seems to cut off at the

1599
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:22,480
wrong bit now i get why a tic tac and a

1600
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:23,839
gimbal video

1601
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:25,520
cuts off because that's where we've been

1602
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:27,119
told it's to be cut off and

1603
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:28,640
that's what we're allowed to see so we

1604
00:52:32,230 --> 00:52:30,240
don't get to see the good stuff i

1605
00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:32,240
suppose if you want to call it that but

1606
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:33,920
the raw footage that's taken by the

1607
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:35,599
public that always disappoints me that

1608
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:37,280
you don't get to maybe see

1609
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:39,200
i get these things arriving because it's

1610
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:40,960
spun spontaneous

1611
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:42,160
but you don't get to see maybe some of

1612
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:44,559
that stuff then the other problem is

1613
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:46,720
is just that you know who's going to be

1614
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:48,480
set up

1615
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:52,960
to you know produce a nice video

1616
00:52:59,910 --> 00:52:56,319
of a ufo in an instant when it happens

1617
00:53:01,990 --> 00:52:59,920
you know i think that if i hadn't been

1618
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:02,000
you know behind a radar screen

1619
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:03,599
and these things hadn't been floating

1620
00:53:07,030 --> 00:53:05,200
out there for so long

1621
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:07,040
that i don't think i would have been

1622
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:08,559
ready for it i think if they had

1623
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:10,160
zipped by the ship i would have been

1624
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:12,720
like whoa

1625
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:15,920
yeah i take it you've heard of nick pope

1626
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:19,520
who nick pope he nick pope

1627
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:22,720
yeah um he does a lot of the he's from

1628
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:24,319
britain he basically ran what you would

1629
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:25,839
call the x-files for the ministry of

1630
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:27,520
defense in the uk

1631
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:30,800
um so that very famously um

1632
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:32,240
that he was in a lot of papers he does a

1633
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:34,400
lot of uh work with

1634
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:36,319
movies and tv shows he's on things like

1635
00:53:40,470 --> 00:53:38,800
ancient aliens very intelligent guy

1636
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:40,480
he doesn't give opinions and he will

1637
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:42,400
never say something as an alien

1638
00:53:46,950 --> 00:53:44,559
spacecraft or an alien's very clever

1639
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:46,960
and very governed uh government-minded

1640
00:53:50,069 --> 00:53:47,839
that way

1641
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:50,079
we went to a talk he lives in los

1642
00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:51,680
angeles now but he came to beric

1643
00:53:56,069 --> 00:53:54,079
in the uk a couple of years ago as a

1644
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:56,079
one-off he arranged a kind of lecture

1645
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:57,680
talk and it was very informal but it was

1646
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:59,839
really interesting and he mentions that

1647
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:00,720
there is a

1648
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:05,200
photograph in the uk ministry of defense

1649
00:54:09,109 --> 00:54:07,760
that was taken by someone who was just

1650
00:54:11,349 --> 00:54:09,119
photographing the landscape

1651
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:11,359
middle of the day and a very kind of

1652
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:13,680
hilly rural area in the uk

1653
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:16,160
and basically as a whatever type of

1654
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:17,839
fighter jet i won't even hit hazard i

1655
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:18,720
guess at the number

1656
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:21,280
f something no doubt and with this very

1657
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:23,040
clear ufo in front of it

1658
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:24,800
that's basically spacecraft flying

1659
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:26,559
through the hills middle of the day

1660
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:29,359
and he says this picture apparently you

1661
00:54:32,549 --> 00:54:31,040
couldn't get any clearer

1662
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:32,559
and it was sent into the ministry of

1663
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:34,960
defense anonymously by this photographer

1664
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,240
who was somewhere that

1665
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:38,400
just had to be an ass spot at a certain

1666
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:40,400
time taking a picture

1667
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:42,319
and he sent this in with a message of i

1668
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:44,079
shouldn't have this thought you might be

1669
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:46,160
better off keeping it in a safe place

1670
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:47,680
um and he kind of mentioned that within

1671
00:54:50,069 --> 00:54:49,599
the talk and as you say it's that sort

1672
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:50,079
of

1673
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:53,680
surface you would look at it and go

1674
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:56,319
yeah that's fake that's too good yeah

1675
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:58,079
and it's unfortunate yeah i mean i'll be

1676
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:59,440
i'd be guilty of the first thing you

1677
00:55:01,990 --> 00:55:01,040
know if something's too clear or too

1678
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:02,000
perfect

1679
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:05,040
you know i'm like uh i'm i'm like my

1680
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:06,799
skeptics my skeptic

1681
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:09,839
vibe just pops you know i'm just like ah

1682
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:11,839
you know yeah i mean i've seen so much

1683
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:13,280
stuff out there that's just

1684
00:55:20,309 --> 00:55:16,640
you know maybe not obviously fake but

1685
00:55:21,990 --> 00:55:20,319
definitely not not real and just uh

1686
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:22,000
you know kind of it kind of irritates me

1687
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:23,599
you know if if you want to do something

1688
00:55:27,109 --> 00:55:24,720
cool like that

1689
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:27,119
that that that's fine but just label it

1690
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:27,920
that you know

1691
00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:30,160
hey check out my fake ufo video you know

1692
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:31,359
yeah this is what i think

1693
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:33,119
it would look like you know or or if

1694
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:34,480
you're gonna or if you're gonna do

1695
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:36,480
just to see you know whether people

1696
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:38,000
would believe it or not don't don't let

1697
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:39,920
it go on too long you know say hey

1698
00:55:42,870 --> 00:55:41,440
you know hey check this video out and

1699
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:42,880
then see you know for a couple days how

1700
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:44,079
it goes and then get on there and say

1701
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:45,280
okay yeah i made this

1702
00:55:49,270 --> 00:55:48,720
you know so yeah yeah you know stuff

1703
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:49,280
like that

1704
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:51,680
i don't really have a problem with but

1705
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:53,200
the people that you know try to pass the

1706
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:54,079
[\h__\h] off as

1707
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:57,280
is real and then you know run

1708
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:59,280
through conference after conference and

1709
00:56:02,309 --> 00:56:00,799
you know i mean

1710
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:02,319
there's really no money to be made in

1711
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:03,920
this field so i don't understand why

1712
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:06,640
people even try to [\h__\h] this stuff

1713
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:08,640
yeah and that's that waters down the

1714
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:10,000
stuff that could be relevant or

1715
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:11,200
interesting about a really good

1716
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:12,559
discussion point so

1717
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:14,960
garen had a second question um do you

1718
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:16,480
think with us being kind of locked away

1719
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:17,839
just now across the world

1720
00:56:22,789 --> 00:56:20,000
and nature can have taken its charge

1721
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:22,799
that this may lead to any more activity

1722
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:25,599
from can i ufos and whatnot i think

1723
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:26,559
indirectly

1724
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:28,400
uh i don't think the activity is getting

1725
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:30,000
any more or less i think just

1726
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:33,520
the a the amount of people on the planet

1727
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:37,440
is is well it's you know today is always

1728
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:38,880
the most people that have ever been on

1729
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:40,720
the planet

1730
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:42,319
the only difference is now that might

1731
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:44,000
not be true because we have you know so

1732
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:45,440
many people dying right now

1733
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:47,920
yeah and i don't i don't say that

1734
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:48,480
lightly

1735
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:50,960
but you know anytime you get you start

1736
00:56:55,990 --> 00:56:53,040
getting ridiculously dense populations

1737
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:56,000
it's been throughout entire history that

1738
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:57,680
bad things are going to happen you know

1739
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:00,160
diseases and things like of that nature

1740
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:02,640
um nature always tries to balance itself

1741
00:57:06,870 --> 00:57:03,920
out whether it's uh

1742
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:06,880
through you know high strangeness and

1743
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:10,079
just a a situation that uh you know

1744
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:13,119
happens or if it's you know

1745
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:17,280
man-made and just that's how it goes

1746
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:20,480
yeah but but when it comes down to it uh

1747
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:22,400
i think it's just more people are home

1748
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:23,520
more people are

1749
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:26,720
looking up more people have more time

1750
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:29,440
when you have more time you think more

1751
00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:30,880
you know and when you're thinking about

1752
00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:31,520
it then

1753
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:33,119
hey i might step outside tonight and go

1754
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:34,319
ahead and look up for a little while and

1755
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:35,040
then all of a sudden

1756
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:36,960
hey lo and behold i saw something that

1757
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:38,559
didn't look like a satellite

1758
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:41,599
you know

1759
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:43,280
i'm lucky enough to live in a very

1760
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:45,440
cannot it's a nice area it's not a lot

1761
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:46,799
of light pollution the skies when

1762
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:48,480
they're clear are really really clear

1763
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:50,640
and i've won the countless branches

1764
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:52,880
fences walls walking the dog because i

1765
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:53,440
will

1766
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:56,720
look about constantly can i see more

1767
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:57,920
things and you get used to

1768
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:59,839
there's a space station flying over and

1769
00:58:01,910 --> 00:58:01,440
i've got my apps that track the times

1770
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:01,920
and

1771
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:03,839
now we've got elon musk's starlink

1772
00:58:08,309 --> 00:58:06,480
satellite train flying overhead

1773
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:08,319
i think it's amazing when it goes across

1774
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:09,520
the sky i mean

1775
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:16,390
it blows your mind i i've luckily i i

1776
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:18,240
unlucky i haven't actually been able to

1777
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:19,280
see it

1778
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:21,119
but i've seen that seen some videos of

1779
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:23,440
it just ripping across the sky because

1780
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:25,440
those satellites have to make such a low

1781
00:58:29,829 --> 00:58:28,319
orbit to provide the type of uh

1782
00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:29,839
the internet that he wants to provide

1783
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:31,760
the world so

1784
00:58:37,030 --> 00:58:35,040
you can see them so clear and it's just

1785
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:37,040
amazing when you see them just zip

1786
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:38,160
across and it's all in

1787
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:40,880
this crazy little line uh i did see them

1788
00:58:44,309 --> 00:58:42,480
recently and the first time i saw them i

1789
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:44,319
knew about them being launched

1790
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:45,680
didn't know they were passing over and

1791
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:47,040
it was a couple of months ago and i

1792
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:49,200
remember walking the dog coming back and

1793
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:51,280
seeing this one light pop over the house

1794
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:53,280
and then the second light pops over

1795
00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:55,119
and the third light pops over and i was

1796
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:56,559
like i got my wife who is the most

1797
00:58:59,190 --> 00:58:57,760
skeptical skeptic

1798
00:59:00,870 --> 00:58:59,200
i said look at that look at that look at

1799
00:59:02,069 --> 00:59:00,880
that and even she was like that's that's

1800
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:02,079
pretty amazing that's got to be

1801
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:02,799
something and

1802
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:04,480
before we knew it we had 16 likes

1803
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:06,160
counted and then just

1804
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:07,839
again even me who really wants to

1805
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:10,160
believe i'm seeing what i want to see

1806
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:12,720
i was wait a second that's not that

1807
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:14,400
starlink satellite

1808
00:59:17,589 --> 00:59:16,160
sister and i checked and yep sure enough

1809
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:17,599
it was scheduled to be flying over the

1810
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:18,880
uk at that time so

1811
00:59:23,109 --> 00:59:20,400
think about this eventually he wants to

1812
00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:23,119
have 300 000 of those

1813
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:24,559
yeah i've seen that i've seen a lot of

1814
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:26,240
them uh

1815
00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:28,960
folk debating today online a lot of them

1816
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:29,920
talk into their

1817
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:31,920
astronomy that is going to ruin

1818
00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:33,359
basically stargazing that's going to

1819
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:33,839
ruin

1820
00:59:37,990 --> 00:59:36,240
people who want to spot ufos because

1821
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:38,000
this the sky is going to be filled with

1822
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:39,440
basically small moving

1823
00:59:42,870 --> 00:59:42,319
dots of light everywhere but on the flip

1824
00:59:44,829 --> 00:59:42,880
side

1825
00:59:46,549 --> 00:59:44,839
he's talking about giving everybody free

1826
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:46,559
internet that that's

1827
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:48,559
yeah that's always a benefit so you have

1828
00:59:50,549 --> 00:59:49,920
to kind of weigh up the pros and cons

1829
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:50,559
don't you

1830
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:51,920
yeah maybe when we get the video cameras

1831
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:53,200
get better and better we'll be able to

1832
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:55,280
spot these things in the nighttime sky

1833
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:57,280
um i had one more question sent in from

1834
01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:59,520
eddie and it was have you had any

1835
01:00:02,309 --> 01:00:00,079
moments

1836
01:00:03,990 --> 01:00:02,319
before or after the main instant with

1837
01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:04,000
the princeton and the nimitz

1838
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:05,200
that you've thought to yourself you

1839
01:00:09,510 --> 01:00:07,040
might be seeing something can uh

1840
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:09,520
alien otherworldly something you

1841
01:00:15,270 --> 01:00:11,760
shouldn't be seeing

1842
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:15,280
no this was the moment this was it

1843
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:18,160
that's it that's my 15. you know it's

1844
01:00:23,589 --> 01:00:20,000
not a bad 15 to be fair

1845
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:23,599
um just before you go gary i've got a

1846
01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:24,880
quick fire quit um

1847
01:00:28,950 --> 01:00:26,720
a couple of years as many questions as

1848
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:28,960
you want man awesome

1849
01:00:32,549 --> 01:00:30,960
first off just a few words or a few

1850
01:00:33,990 --> 01:00:32,559
sentences what comes to mind and if

1851
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:34,000
nothing does we can move on in the next

1852
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:35,119
one okay

1853
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:36,720
um so the first one you kind of touched

1854
01:00:40,829 --> 01:00:38,559
on earlier but just to come back

1855
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:40,839
it's really important that the d word

1856
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:42,400
disclosure

1857
01:00:47,349 --> 01:00:45,680
talk to me about that well what comes to

1858
01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:47,359
mind is is that uh

1859
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:49,599
like i said i i don't ever think that it

1860
01:00:53,430 --> 01:00:50,720
it can come out

1861
01:00:54,549 --> 01:00:53,440
um disclosure gets too close to national

1862
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:54,559
security

1863
01:00:58,309 --> 01:00:57,280
um even even to the people that would

1864
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:58,319
love to tell you

1865
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:59,599
uh you know that's the reason why i

1866
01:01:01,430 --> 01:01:00,799
think that when these presidents are

1867
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:01,440
running for

1868
01:01:04,710 --> 01:01:03,119
for office and they say you know i'm

1869
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:04,720
going to get to the bottom of this alien

1870
01:01:07,829 --> 01:01:06,240
situation and then

1871
01:01:10,150 --> 01:01:07,839
they find out and then they're just like

1872
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:10,160
well [\h__\h] you know i can't say that

1873
01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:12,000
i can't even talk about that you know

1874
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:14,160
you know when they truly find out

1875
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:16,880
you know what's going on i got a feeling

1876
01:01:19,270 --> 01:01:17,520
that

1877
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:19,280
you know they just can't talk about it

1878
01:01:23,349 --> 01:01:20,880
and you know whether it's you know

1879
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:23,359
stability of our economy or stability of

1880
01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:24,720
our security

1881
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:26,480
you know there's no country is going to

1882
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:27,920
admit that they can't

1883
01:01:34,710 --> 01:01:31,440
provide 100 security to their country

1884
01:01:37,589 --> 01:01:34,720
and that starts and stops with

1885
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:37,599
classifying any information that is to

1886
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:39,280
the contrary to that

1887
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:40,799
yeah and i suppose we're seeing a bit of

1888
01:01:43,349 --> 01:01:42,799
a taste in that um with a virus at the

1889
01:01:44,789 --> 01:01:43,359
minute

1890
01:01:46,710 --> 01:01:44,799
as it's kind of going throughout the

1891
01:01:47,829 --> 01:01:46,720
world that people have been stockpiling

1892
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:47,839
toilet paper

1893
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:49,920
um they can combat this so the way

1894
01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:51,599
they've reacted to this probably shows

1895
01:01:53,589 --> 01:01:52,240
you that

1896
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:53,599
something like that coming out which

1897
01:01:57,190 --> 01:01:55,440
let's be honest

1898
01:01:58,549 --> 01:01:57,200
is probably the biggest single biggest

1899
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:58,559
story of all time

1900
01:02:02,309 --> 01:02:01,440
they're not going to react well to it so

1901
01:02:03,430 --> 01:02:02,319
they won't react

1902
01:02:05,190 --> 01:02:03,440
to it apparently everybody thought they

1903
01:02:06,549 --> 01:02:05,200
were going to [\h__\h] themselves to death

1904
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:06,559
yeah

1905
01:02:09,589 --> 01:02:07,920
that was that was the least of people's

1906
01:02:10,470 --> 01:02:09,599
problems but yeah the toilet paper went

1907
01:02:12,789 --> 01:02:10,480
pretty quickly

1908
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:12,799
um next one i want to ask you lou

1909
01:02:19,750 --> 01:02:15,359
elizondo

1910
01:02:24,549 --> 01:02:22,710
i think he's legit i think that he's

1911
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:24,559
been where he says he has and he's done

1912
01:02:30,549 --> 01:02:26,400
what he says he has done

1913
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:32,549
he's you know he talks exactly like

1914
01:02:37,109 --> 01:02:34,799
somebody that

1915
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:37,119
would be in that situation where he

1916
01:02:41,029 --> 01:02:39,119
wants to be on the mainstream with it

1917
01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:41,039
but there's just stuff he can't talk

1918
01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:42,880
about so he has to prove it instead

1919
01:02:46,549 --> 01:02:44,720
he has to come back you know it's like

1920
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:46,559
uh you know if i want to talk about

1921
01:02:50,950 --> 01:02:48,000
something about my system or something

1922
01:02:52,470 --> 01:02:50,960
like that i actually will google

1923
01:02:53,349 --> 01:02:52,480
whatever i want to talk about to see

1924
01:02:56,549 --> 01:02:53,359
whether or not

1925
01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:56,559
it's already out there and then if it's

1926
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:57,359
already out there

1927
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:59,920
i'll talk about it and and i have to

1928
01:03:04,150 --> 01:03:01,440
just double check to make sure it's

1929
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:04,160
not classified but luckily for me all my

1930
01:03:08,230 --> 01:03:05,520
stuff was from 16

1931
01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:08,240
plus years ago so most of that stuff is

1932
01:03:11,029 --> 01:03:09,599
has already been sold off to other

1933
01:03:14,789 --> 01:03:11,039
countries

1934
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:14,799
okay so so i'm good with talking about

1935
01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:16,160
some of the systems but there's some

1936
01:03:19,589 --> 01:03:17,680
some system specifications like

1937
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:19,599
frequencies and events

1938
01:03:23,349 --> 01:03:21,680
and times things like that but not

1939
01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:23,359
related to

1940
01:03:26,549 --> 01:03:25,520
this incident that i i still can't talk

1941
01:03:29,430 --> 01:03:26,559
about

1942
01:03:30,230 --> 01:03:29,440
but and that's what people don't

1943
01:03:33,109 --> 01:03:30,240
understand

1944
01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:33,119
and the way he talks it's it's it's kind

1945
01:03:35,829 --> 01:03:33,839
of i kind of

1946
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:35,839
kind of feel the feeling when it comes

1947
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:37,440
to that stuff because

1948
01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:39,359
you know if he really was working hand

1949
01:03:42,309 --> 01:03:40,480
in hand with that stuff

1950
01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:42,319
you know it's like uh you know i had a

1951
01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:44,000
buddy that was a spook which is

1952
01:03:46,549 --> 01:03:45,760
basically an intelligence guy you know

1953
01:03:48,230 --> 01:03:46,559
he

1954
01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:48,240
you know great guy and everything like

1955
01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:49,359
that and when you asked him what he did

1956
01:03:52,710 --> 01:03:50,720
he said yeah i'm a spook

1957
01:03:54,549 --> 01:03:52,720
i go well what did you do he goes well i

1958
01:03:57,750 --> 01:03:54,559
do spook stuff

1959
01:03:59,109 --> 01:03:57,760
yeah he goes you know what i do i go i

1960
01:03:59,829 --> 01:03:59,119
know what you do i go can you tell me

1961
01:04:02,309 --> 01:03:59,839
what no

1962
01:04:04,150 --> 01:04:02,319
you know it's just you know so it's you

1963
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:04,160
know it's kind of that type of situation

1964
01:04:08,069 --> 01:04:06,160
so if he can actually come up with the

1965
01:04:10,950 --> 01:04:08,079
actual evidence in the civilian world

1966
01:04:11,990 --> 01:04:10,960
for what he already knows he'll then you

1967
01:04:14,069 --> 01:04:12,000
know

1968
01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:14,079
then he can move on and actually talk

1969
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:15,119
about it but

1970
01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:16,799
until he does that you know i don't

1971
01:04:19,349 --> 01:04:18,240
think he can really talk about it and

1972
01:04:20,870 --> 01:04:19,359
plus if he

1973
01:04:22,630 --> 01:04:20,880
you know you know people that are

1974
01:04:24,789 --> 01:04:22,640
stressing him about you know wanting

1975
01:04:25,990 --> 01:04:24,799
solid records about you know him his

1976
01:04:28,309 --> 01:04:26,000
involvement with atip

1977
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:28,319
and things like that and you know here's

1978
01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:30,000
here's a program that literally didn't

1979
01:04:35,109 --> 01:04:31,760
exist until

1980
01:04:37,990 --> 01:04:35,119
a couple years ago i mean it

1981
01:04:39,349 --> 01:04:38,000
existed but it didn't exist yeah yeah so

1982
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:39,359
yeah they're not gonna they're gonna

1983
01:04:42,150 --> 01:04:41,440
have their roster or record of their who

1984
01:04:43,750 --> 01:04:42,160
work there

1985
01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:43,760
you know they're not gonna yeah i mean

1986
01:04:47,510 --> 01:04:46,160
it's just it's just illogical for me to

1987
01:04:49,109 --> 01:04:47,520
think that the government would admit

1988
01:04:50,549 --> 01:04:49,119
that you know who worked on what

1989
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:50,559
projects and stuff like that and start

1990
01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:51,760
being able to

1991
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:53,920
throw uh tracers for people to actually

1992
01:04:56,710 --> 01:04:54,960
trace down these

1993
01:04:58,230 --> 01:04:56,720
track down these people that worked in

1994
01:05:01,270 --> 01:04:58,240
these projects and

1995
01:05:03,109 --> 01:05:01,280
you know you know for lou

1996
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:03,119
i mean no matter what he does whether

1997
01:05:09,829 --> 01:05:07,910
you know he's he's stuck between a rock

1998
01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:09,839
and a hard place the only difference is

1999
01:05:13,829 --> 01:05:10,079
he's

2000
01:05:15,430 --> 01:05:13,839
outrageous claims

2001
01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:15,440
and maybe not like other people in that

2002
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:17,039
organization but

2003
01:05:21,430 --> 01:05:19,760
you know he he just got kind of stuck in

2004
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:21,440
that crossfire there and

2005
01:05:25,109 --> 01:05:23,839
you know him and chris mellon uh they're

2006
01:05:26,710 --> 01:05:25,119
upstanding guys i mean

2007
01:05:28,390 --> 01:05:26,720
very intelligent guys i mean you can see

2008
01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:28,400
it right in their eyes when they talk to

2009
01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:28,880
you

2010
01:05:40,069 --> 01:05:39,359
come off as is very intelligent people

2011
01:05:44,230 --> 01:05:40,079
very you know

2012
01:05:45,750 --> 01:05:44,240
know more about what's going on in your

2013
01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:45,760
room than you do

2014
01:05:49,109 --> 01:05:47,680
yeah you know so it's like all right

2015
01:05:51,829 --> 01:05:49,119
well i'm just going to tell you

2016
01:05:53,430 --> 01:05:51,839
exactly what i know to be true to myself

2017
01:05:54,789 --> 01:05:53,440
and that's it

2018
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:54,799
yeah because you probably already know

2019
01:05:58,870 --> 01:05:56,720
more than i do you know you probably

2020
01:06:00,870 --> 01:05:58,880
investigated this situation

2021
01:06:02,870 --> 01:06:00,880
i i can totally get where you come from

2022
01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:02,880
look at the guy like louis elizondo like

2023
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:04,960
it can talk for hours and i watched one

2024
01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:06,960
of his youtube videos well not one of

2025
01:06:09,829 --> 01:06:07,920
his but some

2026
01:06:11,349 --> 01:06:09,839
from some conference he done last year

2027
01:06:13,029 --> 01:06:11,359
and it's him standing at a power point

2028
01:06:14,789 --> 01:06:13,039
for about two and a half hours

2029
01:06:16,630 --> 01:06:14,799
and at the end of it it tells you

2030
01:06:18,069 --> 01:06:16,640
nothing but he says quite a lot

2031
01:06:19,750 --> 01:06:18,079
and it keeps you interested and

2032
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:19,760
intrigued the whole time and i think

2033
01:06:23,109 --> 01:06:21,760
if louis lozondo had a slogan on a

2034
01:06:25,109 --> 01:06:23,119
t-shirt it would be

2035
01:06:26,950 --> 01:06:25,119
look at the data because all he tells

2036
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:26,960
you is look at the data look at the data

2037
01:06:29,029 --> 01:06:27,520
and

2038
01:06:31,029 --> 01:06:29,039
he's trying to tell you as much as he

2039
01:06:33,109 --> 01:06:31,039
can i see what you know without

2040
01:06:35,029 --> 01:06:33,119
coming out and saying yes these things

2041
01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:35,039
are alien yes they come from here yes

2042
01:06:38,390 --> 01:06:36,079
they do this

2043
01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:38,400
it's like is it not it's almost from an

2044
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:40,319
area a place of frustration that

2045
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:42,240
are these things not fascinating enough

2046
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:43,440
just with this

2047
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:45,680
sample of data that you can't find that

2048
01:06:49,510 --> 01:06:47,680
intriguing enough to take on

2049
01:06:50,789 --> 01:06:49,520
just like when i hear people say that uh

2050
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:50,799
you know enough with the

2051
01:06:54,150 --> 01:06:52,640
the limits encounter and stuff like that

2052
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:54,160
and i go well you know

2053
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:55,680
that's fine if you're bored with that

2054
01:06:59,029 --> 01:06:57,280
but i mean it's still

2055
01:07:01,270 --> 01:06:59,039
the first time in human history that the

2056
01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:01,280
united states government in any capacity

2057
01:07:04,710 --> 01:07:03,280
has admitted that there are unknown

2058
01:07:05,670 --> 01:07:04,720
objects that they track on a regular

2059
01:07:07,670 --> 01:07:05,680
basis

2060
01:07:08,870 --> 01:07:07,680
absolutely you know i mean that in

2061
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:08,880
itself i mean

2062
01:07:12,829 --> 01:07:11,520
if you knew nothing about the situation

2063
01:07:15,430 --> 01:07:12,839
that in itself

2064
01:07:16,150 --> 01:07:15,440
is one of the most amazing pieces of

2065
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:16,160
information

2066
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:19,200
that you know you know 20 years ago

2067
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:20,640
people doing these research if they had

2068
01:07:23,910 --> 01:07:22,480
gotten that they would be like oh my god

2069
01:07:26,069 --> 01:07:23,920
you know that would have been disclosure

2070
01:07:27,910 --> 01:07:26,079
for them yeah

2071
01:07:29,829 --> 01:07:27,920
if someone told you before this happened

2072
01:07:31,750 --> 01:07:29,839
that that was going to happen

2073
01:07:33,510 --> 01:07:31,760
it wouldn't blow your mind that that nah

2074
01:07:34,789 --> 01:07:33,520
that's that's too much but

2075
01:07:36,710 --> 01:07:34,799
the only people that aren't happy are

2076
01:07:39,190 --> 01:07:36,720
the ones that actually want to uh

2077
01:07:40,390 --> 01:07:39,200
you know see and visit and travel with

2078
01:07:41,829 --> 01:07:40,400
aliens

2079
01:07:44,470 --> 01:07:41,839
if you get any thoughts on ultra

2080
01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:44,480
terrestrials and that concept or theory

2081
01:07:46,789 --> 01:07:45,920
it's something that tom delong's talked

2082
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:46,799
about

2083
01:07:50,230 --> 01:07:48,240
now is it the theory that they're coming

2084
01:07:52,309 --> 01:07:50,240
from different dimensions

2085
01:07:53,910 --> 01:07:52,319
yeah potentially this planet but

2086
01:07:54,630 --> 01:07:53,920
different dimensions or that there's

2087
01:07:57,430 --> 01:07:54,640
another

2088
01:07:58,150 --> 01:07:57,440
potential older race that are on this

2089
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:58,160
planet

2090
01:08:01,670 --> 01:08:00,000
you know i think it's been described as

2091
01:08:02,549 --> 01:08:01,680
a little bit like wakanda and black

2092
01:08:04,230 --> 01:08:02,559
panther

2093
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:04,240
that yeah it could be like that whole

2094
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:05,760
hidden civilization

2095
01:08:09,990 --> 01:08:08,400
that's here something like that i think

2096
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:10,000
that if their technology was advanced

2097
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:11,839
enough that they definitely could hide

2098
01:08:17,030 --> 01:08:14,720
in plain sight relatively easy from us

2099
01:08:18,789 --> 01:08:17,040
um because they would probably have

2100
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:18,799
techniques to you know

2101
01:08:22,709 --> 01:08:21,359
alter memory and things like that so i

2102
01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:22,719
mean they could literally just run a

2103
01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:24,000
whole operation here on the planet

2104
01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:26,560
nobody would ever know um so i mean by

2105
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:27,120
that ex

2106
01:08:31,590 --> 01:08:29,920
by that that i i think that you know

2107
01:08:33,669 --> 01:08:31,600
there's a possibility of that

2108
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:33,679
um i've thrown around that idea i've

2109
01:08:37,829 --> 01:08:35,679
even thrown around the idea that uh

2110
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:37,839
you know there's been ancient you know

2111
01:08:41,349 --> 01:08:39,359
there's been a whole other

2112
01:08:44,550 --> 01:08:41,359
massively advanced civilizations on this

2113
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:44,560
very planet before we ever evolved

2114
01:08:50,630 --> 01:08:47,600
you know um yeah there's

2115
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:50,640
and then of course uh the

2116
01:08:57,590 --> 01:08:54,560
i'm a crazy novice in physics

2117
01:09:00,630 --> 01:08:57,600
but it it honestly

2118
01:09:01,349 --> 01:09:00,640
i love physics and one of the things

2119
01:09:03,269 --> 01:09:01,359
that

2120
01:09:07,030 --> 01:09:03,279
has caught my interest is a lot of the

2121
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:07,040
advances in quantum physics lately and

2122
01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:08,960
you know uh for for the people that

2123
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:10,080
aren't familiar with

2124
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:12,480
you know quantum physics and regular

2125
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:13,600
physics

2126
01:09:19,829 --> 01:09:18,319
it's just that and they've been around

2127
01:09:20,709 --> 01:09:19,839
forever quantum physics has been around

2128
01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:20,719
forever

2129
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:23,040
uh you know during einstein's time they

2130
01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:24,799
knew about it they just didn't use it

2131
01:09:29,749 --> 01:09:27,199
because it wasn't as handy

2132
01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:29,759
um basically if you're using you know

2133
01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:31,279
regular standard stuff i'm trying to

2134
01:09:35,349 --> 01:09:32,880
figure out how this ball

2135
01:09:37,510 --> 01:09:35,359
drops and goes across my yard i'm going

2136
01:09:40,070 --> 01:09:37,520
to use a standard model physics

2137
01:09:41,030 --> 01:09:40,080
because it all works but if i'm going to

2138
01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:41,040
try to figure out

2139
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:43,440
every air molecule that moved off of

2140
01:09:46,630 --> 01:09:44,640
that ball

2141
01:09:48,309 --> 01:09:46,640
and then interacted with every quark

2142
01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:48,319
that reacted every neon

2143
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:50,880
and every particle every light particle

2144
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:52,719
and it's stuff like that that

2145
01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:54,400
while that ball's moving through and

2146
01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:56,560
then trying to calculate you know

2147
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:57,920
everything else like that i'm going to

2148
01:10:05,430 --> 01:10:04,229
so it gets more it's more of quantifying

2149
01:10:08,790 --> 01:10:05,440
the small

2150
01:10:09,470 --> 01:10:08,800
rather than the big awesome what about

2151
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:09,480
the fam

2152
01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:12,000
extraterrestrial where does that sit

2153
01:10:15,510 --> 01:10:13,199
with you in this whole thing

2154
01:10:18,149 --> 01:10:15,520
so now the ultra-terrestrial uh seems

2155
01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:18,159
plausible for me because of my

2156
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:21,360
thoughts on on how the universe started

2157
01:10:24,310 --> 01:10:22,320
and that

2158
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:24,320
uh when when trying to look back on

2159
01:10:27,270 --> 01:10:26,080
trying to figure out doing uh thought

2160
01:10:29,830 --> 01:10:27,280
experiments on like

2161
01:10:30,709 --> 01:10:29,840
how the universe came into being with

2162
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:30,719
the big bang

2163
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:33,600
you know um and i had heard uh heard a

2164
01:10:36,709 --> 01:10:35,440
statement from a physicist saying that

2165
01:10:39,189 --> 01:10:36,719
you know it's it's it's

2166
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:39,199
it's it could be possible that the big

2167
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:41,040
bang was basically the back side of a

2168
01:10:44,149 --> 01:10:42,640
black hole

2169
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:44,159
you know basically they're saying that

2170
01:10:49,189 --> 01:10:45,840
in another dimension

2171
01:10:50,870 --> 01:10:49,199
that enough material got

2172
01:10:52,229 --> 01:10:50,880
got pulled into a black hole in that

2173
01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:52,239
dimension

2174
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:53,840
that it actually burst into our

2175
01:10:59,669 --> 01:10:55,920
dimension causing a big bang

2176
01:11:01,189 --> 01:10:59,679
of material and then at the very moment

2177
01:11:02,790 --> 01:11:01,199
that that material started to move

2178
01:11:04,470 --> 01:11:02,800
through this dimension

2179
01:11:05,910 --> 01:11:04,480
that it actually created the dimension

2180
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:05,920
itself

2181
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:12,070
direction that the that this material

2182
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:13,600
could have moved in

2183
01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:14,960
that's a different dimension that would

2184
01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:17,120
have been created

2185
01:11:21,750 --> 01:11:20,239
and then not on top of that or not on

2186
01:11:23,189 --> 01:11:21,760
top of that you're going to actually

2187
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:23,199
have

2188
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:24,719
are not dimensions but you're going to

2189
01:11:29,430 --> 01:11:27,040
have uh parallel existences

2190
01:11:31,990 --> 01:11:29,440
to this one so not only different

2191
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:32,000
dimensions but parallel existences too

2192
01:11:36,310 --> 01:11:34,080
you know basically the ups and the downs

2193
01:11:38,070 --> 01:11:36,320
you know you get your your first second

2194
01:11:39,189 --> 01:11:38,080
area your first second third all the way

2195
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:39,199
up to seventh dimension i think they've

2196
01:11:43,830 --> 01:11:40,400
they've

2197
01:11:46,470 --> 01:11:43,840
mathematically proven exists or you know

2198
01:11:47,910 --> 01:11:46,480
and i'll take it on that one yet well i

2199
01:11:49,750 --> 01:11:47,920
i you know i've only read a couple of

2200
01:11:52,870 --> 01:11:49,760
things on that right now

2201
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:52,880
and then of course uh you know

2202
01:11:57,189 --> 01:11:55,920
there's there's a theory that there's

2203
01:12:03,669 --> 01:11:57,199
multiple

2204
01:12:05,669 --> 01:12:03,679
and i think that those realities come

2205
01:12:06,390 --> 01:12:05,679
into play whenever there's a choice

2206
01:12:09,430 --> 01:12:06,400
whether you

2207
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:09,440
didn't blink that moment now you have

2208
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:11,040
two different realities

2209
01:12:14,310 --> 01:12:13,840
so forever so for every for every micro

2210
01:12:16,870 --> 01:12:14,320
thought

2211
01:12:18,149 --> 01:12:16,880
every every every micro inflection on

2212
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:18,159
your face there was always something

2213
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:19,440
different you could have done and there

2214
01:12:21,430 --> 01:12:19,760
was an

2215
01:12:24,149 --> 01:12:21,440
infinite amount of universes that were

2216
01:12:26,790 --> 01:12:24,159
created at that one moment

2217
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:26,800
so it's uh yeah i've thought a little

2218
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:28,480
too far into all this so

2219
01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:31,120
we won't go too far but from what i

2220
01:12:33,750 --> 01:12:31,520
think

2221
01:12:34,709 --> 01:12:33,760
uh could technically be possible with

2222
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:34,719
physics

2223
01:12:38,709 --> 01:12:36,560
that there is a very very real

2224
01:12:39,669 --> 01:12:38,719
possibility that these could come from

2225
01:12:44,709 --> 01:12:39,679
another dimension

2226
01:12:46,149 --> 01:12:44,719
or even a parallel universe

2227
01:12:48,950 --> 01:12:46,159
so you would see less likely to be

2228
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:48,960
another planet more likely dimensional

2229
01:12:53,910 --> 01:12:52,400
um due to due to the amount of

2230
01:12:56,310 --> 01:12:53,920
time that it would take to move around

2231
01:12:58,470 --> 01:12:56,320
because all right say somebody somebody

2232
01:13:00,680 --> 01:12:58,480
say somebody did visit our planet and

2233
01:13:02,630 --> 01:13:00,690
they were just uh

2234
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:02,640
[Music]

2235
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:05,040
there's there's a scientist kevin knew

2236
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:07,360
that's in part of my uh the uapx

2237
01:13:12,070 --> 01:13:10,560
uh organization and he actually

2238
01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:12,080
summed it up really well in one of his

2239
01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:13,600
lectures uh

2240
01:13:19,590 --> 01:13:17,520
say i visit your planet and i leave

2241
01:13:21,990 --> 01:13:19,600
once i leave time is relative to your

2242
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:22,000
planet it could be 10 000 years before i

2243
01:13:25,350 --> 01:13:23,600
even get back to your planet but for me

2244
01:13:28,709 --> 01:13:25,360
it could have only been

2245
01:13:30,550 --> 01:13:28,719
you know a dozen years you know i come

2246
01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:30,560
back and you know evolution has taken a

2247
01:13:34,870 --> 01:13:31,679
turn further

2248
01:13:36,630 --> 01:13:34,880
for the worst or you know if i come here

2249
01:13:39,189 --> 01:13:36,640
i could have just set up

2250
01:13:41,350 --> 01:13:39,199
set up camp with remote operations and

2251
01:13:43,189 --> 01:13:41,360
then moved on to the next planet

2252
01:13:44,630 --> 01:13:43,199
never to come back here but now you see

2253
01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:44,640
the remnants of me because

2254
01:13:48,070 --> 01:13:47,520
i left a bunch of you know remote

2255
01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:48,080
operated

2256
01:13:52,709 --> 01:13:51,360
vehicles to track and maintain uh what's

2257
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:52,719
going on here

2258
01:13:55,830 --> 01:13:54,719
i left a bunch of tick tacks off the

2259
01:13:57,669 --> 01:13:55,840
california coast

2260
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:57,679
buzzing about yeah and those have

2261
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:59,600
carrier groups now those are the more

2262
01:14:02,870 --> 01:14:01,679
fantastic ideas that i've come up with

2263
01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:02,880
and of course those are the ones that

2264
01:14:06,870 --> 01:14:04,000
people want to hear

2265
01:14:08,550 --> 01:14:06,880
um the the real reality of the situation

2266
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:08,560
is is

2267
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:11,440
it very well could be just our own

2268
01:14:16,390 --> 01:14:14,159
technology that's been carteled

2269
01:14:17,750 --> 01:14:16,400
our own you know our own people because

2270
01:14:18,790 --> 01:14:17,760
when it comes down to what we've seen

2271
01:14:25,030 --> 01:14:18,800
happen with

2272
01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:25,040
every natural resource on this planet

2273
01:14:27,750 --> 01:14:26,640
it's you know for me for the people to

2274
01:14:29,189 --> 01:14:27,760
say that it doesn't happen with

2275
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:29,199
technology

2276
01:14:33,030 --> 01:14:31,440
well i'm i'm sad to say that there's a

2277
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:33,040
lot of tech i've seen that it still

2278
01:14:35,750 --> 01:14:34,400
hasn't even hit the market nothing

2279
01:14:37,110 --> 01:14:35,760
fantastic just

2280
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:37,120
you know it's like i remember when all

2281
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:39,440
leds finally hit the market i saw that

2282
01:14:42,630 --> 01:14:41,600
[\h__\h] like 30 years prior listen so

2283
01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:42,640
that's that's a great one i've got

2284
01:14:44,950 --> 01:14:43,440
another couple of

2285
01:14:47,030 --> 01:14:44,960
awards to throw at you then i kind of

2286
01:14:50,149 --> 01:14:47,040
finish up um

2287
01:14:53,669 --> 01:14:50,159
any thoughts on bob lazar and his story

2288
01:14:57,990 --> 01:14:53,679
i think that there's truth there

2289
01:15:00,390 --> 01:14:58,000
that got corrupted by a media

2290
01:15:01,189 --> 01:15:00,400
okay and not corrupted in a way that

2291
01:15:04,070 --> 01:15:01,199
that like

2292
01:15:04,709 --> 01:15:04,080
they twisted it but i have a feeling

2293
01:15:07,110 --> 01:15:04,719
that

2294
01:15:09,189 --> 01:15:07,120
the guy had a fantastic story to begin

2295
01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:09,199
with that got

2296
01:15:14,229 --> 01:15:13,120
just blown up to a proportion that it

2297
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:14,239
didn't need to be and

2298
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:15,920
i think the guy kind of felt like he had

2299
01:15:18,149 --> 01:15:17,520
to keep up with it and something new all

2300
01:15:19,910 --> 01:15:18,159
the time

2301
01:15:21,669 --> 01:15:19,920
you know i i see i see a guy that

2302
01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:21,679
something fantastic happened to

2303
01:15:28,550 --> 01:15:25,920
that it just got turned and twisted and

2304
01:15:29,590 --> 01:15:28,560
changed into an animal that he couldn't

2305
01:15:31,030 --> 01:15:29,600
control anymore

2306
01:15:32,630 --> 01:15:31,040
and i think that's really why he kind of

2307
01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:32,640
went off the grid for so long

2308
01:15:35,510 --> 01:15:34,080
because he just couldn't control the

2309
01:15:36,149 --> 01:15:35,520
narrative anymore he couldn't control

2310
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:36,159
the story

2311
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:38,480
it was just had a mind of its own after

2312
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:40,560
a certain point

2313
01:15:44,950 --> 01:15:43,199
totally fair um and i want to ask you to

2314
01:15:47,590 --> 01:15:44,960
kind of summarize a little bit

2315
01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:47,600
where do you see things as related to

2316
01:15:54,390 --> 01:15:52,640
this topic in the next five years i see

2317
01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:54,400
all of us still craving for more

2318
01:15:59,189 --> 01:15:56,800
knowledge

2319
01:16:02,070 --> 01:15:59,199
unfortunately but all of us waiting for

2320
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:02,080
the next tic-tac incident

2321
01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:04,800
do you see anything else coming out like

2322
01:16:07,030 --> 01:16:06,400
not that as you say that the princeton

2323
01:16:09,350 --> 01:16:07,040
limits

2324
01:16:10,950 --> 01:16:09,360
not that it's amazing but do you think

2325
01:16:12,470 --> 01:16:10,960
we'll get more release to have happened

2326
01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:12,480
more recently because a lot came out

2327
01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:13,600
that potentially

2328
01:16:17,750 --> 01:16:16,000
we know there's been more incidents but

2329
01:16:19,510 --> 01:16:17,760
do you think it will come out

2330
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:19,520
well i think that it definitely will

2331
01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:21,920
become more commonplace

2332
01:16:25,669 --> 01:16:24,080
i think that with the nimitz incident

2333
01:16:27,750 --> 01:16:25,679
that it's now going to be

2334
01:16:29,030 --> 01:16:27,760
a little bit more mainstream so there's

2335
01:16:31,189 --> 01:16:29,040
been some really good

2336
01:16:33,510 --> 01:16:31,199
push forward for this to be a mainstream

2337
01:16:36,229 --> 01:16:33,520
topic and what i'm really hoping

2338
01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:36,239
for the future is real science real

2339
01:16:39,830 --> 01:16:37,679
scientists you know people that would

2340
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:39,840
have just scoffed at this years ago

2341
01:16:43,110 --> 01:16:41,520
hopping on that bandwagon kind of like

2342
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:43,120
when einstein was trying to say the time

2343
01:16:47,430 --> 01:16:44,320
was relative and that

2344
01:16:48,870 --> 01:16:47,440
uh you know you're nuts guy you know and

2345
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:48,880
then all of a sudden he was proven right

2346
01:16:51,910 --> 01:16:50,480
and everybody jumps on that bandwagon

2347
01:16:55,189 --> 01:16:51,920
and starts riding uh you know

2348
01:16:58,870 --> 01:16:55,199
doing the uh doing the trip to oregon

2349
01:17:01,830 --> 01:16:58,880
yeah you know so i'm really hoping that

2350
01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:01,840
it becomes even more mainstream um i'm

2351
01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:03,360
you know i'm hoping that

2352
01:17:06,790 --> 01:17:05,280
uh you know colleges that instead of

2353
01:17:07,270 --> 01:17:06,800
will have instead of having this under

2354
01:17:11,030 --> 01:17:07,280
their

2355
01:17:13,030 --> 01:17:11,040
colleges that have

2356
01:17:14,229 --> 01:17:13,040
degrees in paranormal psychology or

2357
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:14,239
paranormal

2358
01:17:22,390 --> 01:17:21,280
um i hope that it becomes a a topic that

2359
01:17:25,830 --> 01:17:22,400
is well researched

2360
01:17:28,070 --> 01:17:25,840
and actually uh brings in some

2361
01:17:29,110 --> 01:17:28,080
you know more brilliant minds like uh

2362
01:17:32,310 --> 01:17:29,120
you know like deep

2363
01:17:35,590 --> 01:17:32,320
like deep facade and uh kevin knew and

2364
01:17:36,470 --> 01:17:35,600
uh you know uh people of that nature

2365
01:17:38,229 --> 01:17:36,480
where they're just

2366
01:17:40,390 --> 01:17:38,239
absolutely brilliant people that have

2367
01:17:41,189 --> 01:17:40,400
had this education that we can all wish

2368
01:17:42,630 --> 01:17:41,199
that we had

2369
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:42,640
i don't know what your education is but

2370
01:17:46,229 --> 01:17:45,280
my news is not as good as i'd love it to

2371
01:17:48,390 --> 01:17:46,239
be and then

2372
01:17:50,149 --> 01:17:48,400
uh i've actually vowed to get my

2373
01:17:50,709 --> 01:17:50,159
doctorate before my daughter graduates

2374
01:17:53,910 --> 01:17:50,719
high school

2375
01:17:55,750 --> 01:17:53,920
so so

2376
01:17:58,229 --> 01:17:55,760
gary and that's all i've got time for

2377
01:17:59,750 --> 01:17:58,239
but thank you very much um what we'll do

2378
01:18:01,430 --> 01:17:59,760
is we'll make sure that the listeners

2379
01:18:02,390 --> 01:18:01,440
i've got all the links on there for you

2380
01:18:03,910 --> 01:18:02,400
apx

2381
01:18:05,510 --> 01:18:03,920
and for your twitter handle you're

2382
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:05,520
always really vocal on twitter and you

2383
01:18:08,950 --> 01:18:07,440
chat to people which is great and

2384
01:18:11,430 --> 01:18:08,960
like you say you want to get a lot out

2385
01:18:12,709 --> 01:18:11,440
there it's the whole idea behind you apx

2386
01:18:13,750 --> 01:18:12,719
is getting a lot of minds together as

2387
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:13,760
well and that's keeping that

2388
01:18:17,030 --> 01:18:15,040
conversation going

2389
01:18:18,229 --> 01:18:17,040
from a scientific standpoint a research

2390
01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:18,239
standpoint and that's something that's

2391
01:18:21,510 --> 01:18:20,320
only going to continue going forward so

2392
01:18:23,430 --> 01:18:21,520
thank you very much for your time i

2393
01:18:24,470 --> 01:18:23,440
really appreciate it well thanks for

2394
01:18:25,110 --> 01:18:24,480
having me and thanks for being

2395
01:18:26,470 --> 01:18:25,120
interested

2396
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:26,480
uh you know the more people that are

2397
01:18:30,390 --> 01:18:28,400
interested the

2398
01:18:31,430 --> 01:18:30,400
the better um i'm always up for an

2399
01:18:33,030 --> 01:18:31,440
interview um

2400
01:18:35,430 --> 01:18:33,040
sometimes it's a little hard to get them

2401
01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:35,440
uh you know yeah you know stapled down

2402
01:18:39,189 --> 01:18:37,600
with time and date stuff like that but

2403
01:18:41,510 --> 01:18:39,199
anybody that's interested in any

2404
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:41,520
interviews i have no problem talking to

2405
01:18:47,350 --> 01:18:43,600
anybody i talk to skeptics and

2406
01:18:48,229 --> 01:18:47,360
true believers um i try really hard not

2407
01:18:51,430 --> 01:18:48,239
to be

2408
01:18:52,709 --> 01:18:51,440
judgmental but i am human so forgive me

2409
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:52,719
if i am

2410
01:18:55,750 --> 01:18:54,000
not all it makes it all the one

2411
01:18:59,030 --> 01:18:55,760
interesting trust me yeah

2412
01:18:59,830 --> 01:18:59,040
and uh but uh uh you know thank you for

2413
01:19:03,270 --> 01:18:59,840
your time

2414
01:19:05,830 --> 01:19:03,280
uh uh feel free to engage with me online

2415
01:19:06,310 --> 01:19:05,840
um any any follow-up questions you have

2416
01:19:07,990 --> 01:19:06,320
uh

2417
01:19:10,149 --> 01:19:08,000
if your listeners want me to come back

2418
01:19:11,750 --> 01:19:10,159
on and i've been kind of toying or

2419
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:11,760
toying around now that i got the setup

2420
01:19:17,430 --> 01:19:14,000
set up i might i might do some

2421
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:17,440
uh some some facebook live chatting

2422
01:19:21,910 --> 01:19:20,640
you know or uh you know and uh see if

2423
01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:21,920
i see if anybody's interested in

2424
01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:24,719
anything like that um

2425
01:19:28,790 --> 01:19:26,719
but uh i just try to i just try to make

2426
01:19:30,470 --> 01:19:28,800
people feel like they

2427
01:19:31,990 --> 01:19:30,480
as long as they as long as they engage

2428
01:19:33,350 --> 01:19:32,000
me in a way that

2429
01:19:34,950 --> 01:19:33,360
you know if they've got questions i'll

2430
01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:34,960
answer what i know and if i don't know

2431
01:19:37,830 --> 01:19:36,400
it well

2432
01:19:40,550 --> 01:19:37,840
how they can piss in the wind i don't

2433
01:19:44,950 --> 01:19:43,270
but but they can anybody can ask me any

2434
01:19:47,189 --> 01:19:44,960
question they want

2435
01:19:48,070 --> 01:19:47,199
so yeah and i've certainly found that as

2436
01:19:49,669 --> 01:19:48,080
well so

2437
01:19:51,270 --> 01:19:49,679
um i really appreciate being the first

2438
01:19:52,310 --> 01:19:51,280
guest and i would absolutely love to

2439
01:19:54,070 --> 01:19:52,320
have you back on

2440
01:19:55,990 --> 01:19:54,080
in one of the shows in the coming future

2441
01:19:57,910 --> 01:19:56,000
anyway well i look forward to it

2442
01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:57,920
or if you just need somebody else on on

2443
01:20:01,030 --> 01:19:59,520
with you uh or

2444
01:20:02,870 --> 01:20:01,040
you know or if you just want to get a

2445
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:02,880
group of guys together [\h__\h] about

2446
01:20:08,790 --> 01:20:06,480
ufos i'm down for that too so

2447
01:20:10,550 --> 01:20:08,800
folks i'm sure whether or not that's the

2448
01:20:12,629 --> 01:20:10,560
first time you've heard that story its

2449
01:20:14,310 --> 01:20:12,639
impact is still incredible

2450
01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:14,320
i can't wait to have gary back on again

2451
01:20:17,750 --> 01:20:16,080
in the future and in the bio of this

2452
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:17,760
download you can find all his contact

2453
01:20:20,390 --> 01:20:18,480
details

2454
01:20:22,229 --> 01:20:20,400
and keep in touch with all things uap

2455
01:20:23,910 --> 01:20:22,239
expeditions a lot of exciting stuff

2456
01:20:25,990 --> 01:20:23,920
coming up there folks

2457
01:20:27,189 --> 01:20:26,000
that's all for today's show i sincerely

2458
01:20:28,790 --> 01:20:27,199
thank you for listening

2459
01:20:30,310 --> 01:20:28,800
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2460
01:20:31,990 --> 01:20:30,320
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2461
01:20:33,669 --> 01:20:32,000
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2462
01:20:34,390 --> 01:20:33,679
interviews following up on these

2463
01:20:36,229 --> 01:20:34,400
incidents

2464
01:20:37,590 --> 01:20:36,239
with more witnesses and journalists who

2465
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:37,600
have their own theories on what's

2466
01:20:41,510 --> 01:20:39,840
happening with the events coming out

2467
01:20:43,430 --> 01:20:41,520
currently in the news and where they

2468
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:43,440
could also be going

2469
01:20:51,910 --> 01:20:48,400
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2470
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:51,920
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01:20:54,950 --> 01:20:53,440
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2472
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:54,960
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01:20:59,110 --> 01:20:57,280
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2474
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2475
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2476
01:21:03,669 --> 01:21:02,639
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2477
01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:03,679
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01:21:07,270 --> 01:21:05,920
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2479
01:21:08,229 --> 01:21:07,280
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01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:13,120
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2490
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01:21:29,430 --> 01:21:27,679
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very recently as well so be sure to

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listen

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that is all for this week's show thank

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you very much for listening

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and again folks as always keep looking

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like alice was parliament effect the

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little [\h__\h] hovered right inside of my

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window when i shut down the screen he

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made it an issue

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cuz

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there was something on my head and

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everything was weird and everything was

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your serious consider your lies

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